Pthieves - What's the story?

[Zing]

Ok, so I'm P.O.'d cause a L40 thief swiped my stuff and sold it. *Laughing at self* But hey, I killed mobs for those mage stones and it makes me mad.

But, maybe I don't understand how Pthievery is supposed to work on Sloth. Maybe I have no right to be mad. I mean if it is part of the game and I just should have played better, then it is my tough luck. But I'm not sure I had a chance to play better against someone with more then twice my levels.

If I'm wrong, I'd like to know that. On the other hand, if it is dirty dealing abuse of fellow players, maybe it's time to form a posse and go hang a pthieves. I'm up for it.

The pthief I ran into, Poolp, didn't deny the theft, so guilt is not the question. His response was, he was teaching me a lesson for sleeping in an usafe area. Well, I was guilty of that.

On the other Poolp was stealing from me and others in an exp group. I slept when and where my group leader told me too. I see it as being part of the team. Is Poolp teaching me not to do this? If he is teaching us not to group or not to follow your group leader? Shouldn't he be robbing the group leader to teach him how to lead better? He not only robbed me but a raiser who saving a dead player.

Also, when a level 40 robs a level 20, it isn't a real sporting event. Perhaps a pthief show have some guidlines, rob those capable to fighting back. Hmmm let me remind you all of the "form a posse and hanging thieves" idea.

Truthfully, Poolp and other Pthieves aren't trying to teach us anything. They are leeches on us just like the corrupt in the real world. And just like in the real world they will take from the weaker folk until they are stopped.

Let me know if you'd like to help me form a posse. Or if you think I am out of line. Sloth can be nice neighborhood to play in. And vengenance can be sweet.

[Alberich]

yes pthieves are annoying. yes it's perfectly legal (read the rules). sporting? not particularly.
the 'lesson' is more along the lines of "never have anything but recalls and food/drinks in inv" than "don't sleep where your leader tells you" - stuff that's worn, or in worn containers, is safe from thievery.

[12345]

The moral is all over the place... He shouldn't have done it, but it will probably make you a better player. Along the lines of what Alberich said, don't have [i:1v1oduu7]anything[/i:1v1oduu7] in inventory that's not completely replaceable. You'll notice that most of the higher level folks have scripts to mem:

wake;rest;remove robe;take bag robe;take all bag;mem a x3;mem b x3;put all.ioun bag;put bag robe;wear robe;sleep

Clients help tremendously. Since you ultimately have the ability to keep anything from being stolen, it doesn't fall on your leader. The leader primarily has the responsibility of making sure you're not attacked while you sleep, though they will often pick the safest place possible to do that.

[Rynquald]

*Agrees with Alberich and 12345*

In the long run pkilling ptheives who have multiple characters doesn't help remove them from the game unless they are pkilled by the whole mud every time they log on until they rent, so imho it's worth killing them, we just have to be dedicated.

I don't think that forming a posse (got to love that word) to kill him will do any good though, he'll just rent until it stops, and none of his chars are probably more than solo kills anyway.

But I must say that he did at least once try to rob from someone that was capable of fighting back (me, in Rynquald form, he tried to steal from me with Jormungandr) but after what happened to him when he attempted that, I can see why he was reluctant to try it on someone that could make a one hit kill on him again

Anyway, here is a list of all the chars he plays that I know of for anyone that wants to avoid/pkill them:
Jormungandr
Diablotwo
Lenin
Poolp
Stalin?
Mussolini?
(I was told about the last two, didn't personally witness it)

I seriously doubt that he doesn't have other characters as well, so it would probably be a good idea for everyone to keep on their toes until this guy gets board.

Rynquald.

[Vixn]

Add Derro to list. I'm pretty sure it's the same person.

[Zing]

Thanks for the feedback and the good advice. I never knew that pthieves only had access to eq that was not worn or in a worn container.

I do think it is worth killing Pthieves.

They benefit from successful theft. A five second theft cost me the results of an hour or three's successful play. But I enjoyed the play and that can't be taken.

For the Pthief, it's only fair that they reap the negative affects of being a thief as well as the benefits. Identified Pthieves should be killed, (or at least bli, cursed, web'd) on sight. If only to keep the rats from multiplying.

Thanks all.

[dt]

I'm sure he's also on of Dia-poo's char's.. One trick he uses is to steal on bh and then use the post office to ship item to Val for Lenin to sell. Saw him steal, suspected he created Stalin to sell the 2 recalls for shipping charges and as they say rinse,repeat.

Oh, and he sucks.

[dt]

Any chance we can make juju charm's clasp-able.. having a pthief steal your charm and losing juju blows.. not as bad a Dia-poo but close.

[Shara]

I don't think it's fair that he only gets boarded for one account. I mean, doesn't he basically have immunity then? And I don't think players should be unboarded immediately after a kill... there isn't much to stop them from stealing naked and creating new characters to abuse it

Is that you Victor? Sorry that happened to you, and you too Zing, if you were in my group

Sorries!

[Weasel]

Once a player is identified as a pthief, you can kill them any time you like, along with any other characters they play as far as I know, as long as you can prove they are associated and immorts can confirm it via logs and/or IP if disputed. You can also pkill anyone aiding a pthief - it's guilt by association. Aiding would be something like a player knowingly holding or stashing the looted eq and helping the pthief transfer it to another 'non'-pthief char.

Word of warning here too, if you buy a char that used to be a pthief, you can still be killed for it - you may be a different owner, but the char is still a known pthief - caveat emptor.

[madmax]

[quote="dt":2y0f8bjv]I'm sure he's also on of Dia-poo's char's.. One trick he uses is to steal on bh and then use the post office to ship item to Val for Lenin to sell. Saw him steal, suspected he created Stalin to sell the 2 recalls for shipping charges and as they say rinse,repeat.

Oh, and he sucks.[/quote:2y0f8bjv]


When you are boarded, I understand you can not rent, place items in containers, etc. Why not add the ability to ship to this list? Granted P-thieves have always dropped eq in places for other characters of thiers to pick up later. Since ship has been added, a path has been given to allow getting rid of the eq immediately.

I may be wrong on this, it may already have been coded that way. Since I have never been, nor plan to be boarded, I must leave the testing of this up to the Imm's.

Madmax

[Gnu]

Well... We all know about pthiefing, about its legality and about killing known pthiefs... BUT! Why do we forget apout panishing for newbie harrasment? I think that accident is a really good reason to use that rule and to keep in mind that Sloth III is a newbie-friendly mud!

Let's listen to immortals.

[Daisy]

Sloth is not a pkill mud, as such it shouldn't be a pthievery mud.

My suggestions would be to either:

Make Sloth a full pkill and pthief mud let me know and I'll go play elsewhere

or

Change the rules that allow pthievery

Love and Peace,

Daisy

[Poolp]

Pthieving has been allowed since sloth started, so good luck trying to get immorts to change the rules.

I think what you people (only those who are complaining) need to do is to stop whining for changes and deal with it. As a player long ago I've never had any problem with pthieves because I was cautious and careful enough to take care of my items and the rest of you should be able to as well.

Besides, I'm providing entertainment to some people out there who love hunting pthieves, so let's just cherish this beautiful relationship while we still have it and I'll leave in a few days when I'm done selling this character.

Have a good day.

[13]

Pthieves distinguish the real players from the folks who are just along for the ride in my opinion. I know a lot of folks who like hunt them for 'sport'. Once you discover who a pthief's main character is, that character is fair game for
killing and looting, and sometimes that is extremely profitable With a regular pth around you get a second chance to learn a lesson you should already know, don't use your inventory as a dumpster. Keep it neat and clean, it's good for your peace of mind as well as your changeout scripts. How hard is it to keep your memstones and shuggoth keychain in your robe or hell, even a bag in your inventory. At least in a bag it wont show up as some fancy glowing forged shit. Thieves will steal bags, but not as often because you never know what's in there unless you stalk your victim a couple days beforehand.