Testing the stab, spoiler alert!

[Dragoth]

Right, after finding this little gem in the mud i was pretty excited as i could do what i love doing most of all.. TESTING!


You recite an identify scroll which dissolves.
You feel informed:
Object 'keen scalping blade *Xxx*', Item type: WEAPON
Item is: PERSONAL RESTRUNG
Weight: 2, Value: 0gold, Worn in: TAKE WIELD
Damage Dice is '1D1'

Why is this significant ? Because it takes away the randomness and allows you to see the bones of the game if you will.

I guess we all know how sloth3 stab system works as there were plenty of people who were interested in exploring and testing the games a bit further
than people do now. Anyways, it operated on a multiplier system where every damage added 17 hp to your stabs, i.e there were 17 multipliers
they got added from level 1 untill level 40 where you were maxed out.

How do you find your multipliers ? You try to stab something with 1d1 dagger and X dam, then you try to stab the same target with 1d1 dagger and X+1 dam

That way, the difference between those 2 values is your multiplier. I heard how sloth4 stab system was different from sloth3 so i was eager to test it and find out
what is what.



And so here are the results for you guys to see, if you dont like reading logs then skip to the end.

Thanks Cizin, Stun, Kanae, Xarken, Thraxas and Acme for the help!


<576hp 329ma 315mv>sc
Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 25 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You are starting to get a little peckish.
Your throat is starting to get dry.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (578/733+49) hit, (330/413+21) mana and (314/309+37) movement points.
Your armor class is 6.0.
You have +2 to hit, +3 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111127223 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 16[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 18[18], Con: 15[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are fighting Cizin.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Sense Life
Darksight
Sanctuary



1d1 +3dam



<531hp 333ma 314mv>Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1060/1163 hp. Change: -103. Need: 103. Spells: none.

<381hp 346ma 291mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1060/1163 hp. Change: -103. Need: 103. Spells: none.

<274hp 298ma 273mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1060/1163 hp. Change: -103. Need: 103. Spells: none.

<199hp 250ma 225mv>Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1060/1163 hp. Change: -103. Need: 103. Spells: none.


Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 25 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have seen a fair amount of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (522/733+49) hit, (114/413+21) mana and (276/334+37) movement points.
Your armor class is 4.5.
You have +2 to hit, +4 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111090950 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 16[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 18[18], Con: 15[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Sense Life
Darksight
Sanctuary



1d1 +4 damage

<493hp 102ma 269mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1025/1133 hp. Change: -108. Need: 108. Spells: none.

<618hp 147ma 296mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1025/1133 hp. Change: -108. Need: 108. Spells: none.

<524hp 115ma 277mv>sc
Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 25 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have seen a fair amount of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (525/733+49) hit, (116/413+21) mana and (278/334+37) movement points.
Your armor class is 4.3.
You have +3 to hit, +5 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111090950 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 16[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 18[18], Con: 15[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Sense Life
Darksight
Sanctuary

+5 damage

<492hp 300ma 292mv>eq
You are using:
<worn on body> the Holy Wings of Ming..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on hands> a pair of onyx and diamond-studded gauntlets
<wielded> a keen scalping blade

<584hp 237ma 259mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1046/1163 hp. Change: -117. Need: 117. Spells: none.

<511hp 33ma 255mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1046/1163 hp. Change: -117. Need: 117. Spells: none.

<450hp 41ma 240mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1046/1163 hp. Change: -117. Need: 117. Spells: none.


<369hp 49ma 235mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1046/1163 hp. Change: -117. Need: 117. Spells: none.


<663hp 248ma 311mv>Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 26 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
Your throat is starting to get dry.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (663/758+49) hit, (248/433+21) mana and (311/336+40) movement points.
Your armor class is 0.2.
You have +20 to hit, +6 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111169744 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Sense Life
Darksight
Resist Fire
Bless

+6 dam

<672hp 252ma 319mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1039/1163 hp. Change: -124. Need: 124. Spells: none.

<677hp 199ma 308mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1039/1163 hp. Change: -124. Need: 124. Spells: none.


<708hp 158ma 318mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1039/1163 hp. Change: -124. Need: 124. Spells: none.



ok since we now ran out of pure damage EQ without stabdam, now lets see how stabdam fares, 6 dam again but with +7 stab_dam from



You recite an identify scroll which dissolves.
You feel informed:
Object 'cloak specialization elite low *Xxx*', Item type: CONTAINER
Maxweight: 500
Item is: HUM PERSONAL RESTRUNG
Weight: 103, Value: 190drachma, Worn in: TAKE ABOUT
Can affect you as:
Affects: ARMOR by -5
Affects: STAB_DAMAGE by 7
Only those who are at least adept thieves may use this item.


<695hp 339ma 324mv>eq
You are using:
<used as light> a gray gemstone shard..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on finger> a man's diamond ring..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on finger> a man's diamond ring..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn around neck> a platinum chain
<worn around neck> a thief's shadow bending half-cloak..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on body> a black suit of dwarven platemail (with a pretty little bow attached to it)
<worn on head> a prison guard helmet
<worn on legs> dwarvish greaves..It emits a faint humming sound!
<worn on feet> old viking boots
<worn on hands> a pair of onyx and diamond-studded gauntlets
<worn as shield> a giant oyster shell (with a single-striped white sash (Private) attached to it)
<worn about body> Cloak of Specialization..It emits a faint humming sound!
<worn about waist> a dull red belt
<wielded> a keen scalping blade
<held> a mu-jen doll

<696hp 339ma 325mv>sc
Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 27 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (697/758+49) hit, (340/433+21) mana and (326/336+40) movement points.
Your armor class is -0.3.
You have +20 to hit, +6 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111212106 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 36 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Sanctuary
Resist Fire
Bless


<697hp 340ma 326mv>310 seconds till full mana
backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1032/1163 hp. Change: -131. Need: 131. Spells: none.

<688hp 295ma 330mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1032/1163 hp. Change: -131. Need: 131. Spells: none.


Now for Stab dam *************

<621hp 252ma 336mv>rem specialization
You stop using Cloak of Specialization.

<622hp 252ma 336mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1039/1163 hp. Change: -124. Need: 124. Spells: none.


Ok so we know opal bracelet is 4 stabdam and 1 dam


<587hp 201ma 326mv>You slide a black opal bracelet over your left wrist.

<587hp 201ma 326mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1028/1163 hp. Change: -135. Need: 135. Spells: none.


So 135-4 = 131 without stabdam bonus at 7 damage, remember 124hp was HP damage at 6 dam, so adding 1 damage gives us a 7 hp dam bonus, which is just equal to stabdam from Spec cloak


<581hp 218ma 336mv>grouptell it seems that 1 damage gives you 7 hp dam
You grouptell: 'it seems that 1 damage gives you 7 hp dam'

<585hp 220ma 336mv>save
Saving Xxx.
Saving items.

<591hp 223ma 336mv>rem opal
Cizin -- 'i would say 8'
You stop using a black opal bracelet.

<593hp 223ma 336mv>The 'bless' spell on you is about to wear off.

<596hp 224ma 336mv>grouptell ok, now let me try with lion chorus
You grouptell: 'ok, now let me try with lion chorus'


<631hp 227ma 336mv>sc
Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 27 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (632/758+49) hit, (228/433+21) mana and (336/336+40) movement points.
Your armor class is 0.2.
You have +20 to hit, +10 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111243062 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 39 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
You are singing 'lion chorus'.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Resist Fire
Bless
Lion Chorus


<632hp 228ma 336mv>683 seconds till full mana
backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1018/1163 hp. Change: -145. Need: 145. Spells: none.


<543hp 176ma 326mv>Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1018/1163 hp. Change: -145. Need: 145. Spells: none.


<378hp 123ma 336mv>backstab cizin
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1018/1163 hp. Change: -145. Need: 145. Spells: none.


Remember, 6 dam was 124 HP damage and 10 dam is now 145 HP damage, which only gives us addictional 21 HP damage for 4damage

21/4 = 5.25, nowhere near the 7HP bonus from every dam point we were seing earlier.



Seeing how cizin's sanctity and damage reduction bonuses could affect the results we recruited a noob.



Mystic's last logon was Wed Sep 1 02:24:11 2010

[40b 23n 13m 9c 7d 5w 3t 2o] Mystic man


<758hp 351ma 318mv>Mystic stops using a pair of onyx and diamond-studded gauntlets.

<758hp 352ma 318mv>sc
Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 27 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (758/758+49) hit, (352/433+21) mana and (317/311+40) movement points.
Your armor class is 1.1.
You have +19 to hit, +5 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111265795 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 7 hours, 43 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Sanctuary
Resist Fire

<758hp 362ma 312mv>eq
You are using:
<used as light> a gray gemstone shard..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on finger> a man's diamond ring..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on finger> a man's diamond ring..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn around neck> a platinum chain
<worn around neck> a thief's shadow bending half-cloak..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on head> a prison guard helmet
<worn on legs> dwarvish greaves..It emits a faint humming sound!
<worn on feet> old viking boots
<worn on hands> a pair of onyx and diamond-studded gauntlets
<worn as shield> a giant oyster shell (with a single-striped white sash (Private) attached to it)
<worn about waist> a dull red belt
<wielded> a keen scalping blade
<held> a mu-jen doll


<758hp 369ma 311mv>backstab mystic
flee
Mystic makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Mystic reports 591/678 hp. Change: -87. Need: 87. Spells: none.

<749hp 213ma 300mv>backstab mystic
Mystic makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Mystic reports 591/678 hp. Change: -87. Need: 87. Spells: none.

<758hp 170ma 289mv>backstab mystic
flee
Mystic -- 'really strange'
Mystic makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Mystic reports 591/678 hp. Change: -87. Need: 87. Spells: none.


Weird ? At 5 damage i was stabbing Cizin for 117 damage and here i am stabbing mystic for 87! 30 hp reduction...



<758hp 382ma 289mv>Targetting ======> cizin
backstab cizin
flee
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1046/1163 hp. Change: -117. Need: 117. Spells: none.


So we brought Stun to help us...


<684hp 403ma 336mv>Targetting ======> stun
sc
Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 30 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (687/758+60) hit, (405/433+33) mana and (336/336+51) movement points.
Your armor class is 0.2.
You have +19 to hit, +6 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111323640 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 8 hours, 5 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Sanctuary
Resist Fire

<687hp 405ma 336mv>56 seconds till full mana
backstab stun
Stun -- '120 with song?'

<689hp 406ma 336mv>flee
Stun makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Stun reports 979/1099 hp. Change: -120. Need: 120. Spells: none.


<655hp 409ma 322mv>Targetting ======> cizin
backstab cizin
flee
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1039/1163 hp. Change: -124. Need: 124. Spells: none.
Stun reports 980/1099 hp. Change: +1. Need: 119. Spells: none.



So... Stun gets stabbed for 120 and Cizin gets stabbed for 124, Even though Cizin has sanctity and more monk levels, monk position affecting stab dam
or is it something else ?

Stun's last logon was Wed Sep 1 01:36:05 2010

[40w 40b 40c 36n 21o 21m 21d 21t] Stun null

Cizin's last logon was Wed Sep 1 02:26:22 2010

[40t 40w 40d 40b 40c 40m 40n 38o 16a] Cizin %s Masta' Stabba'


<758hp 349ma 336mv>Stun -- 'im calling xarken'



[pri sec ter qua qui hex sep oct] Players
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[20b 9w 6c 3n| 0 0 0 0 ] Xarken the Untitled



flee
Xarken makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.

<758hp 433ma 321mv>Xarken reports 216/283 hp. Change: -67. Need: 67. Spells: none.

<758hp 433ma 327mv>grouptell target cizin
Cizin -- 'omg 67!'

<758hp 433ma 329mv>You grouptell: 'target cizin'

<758hp 433ma 329mv>Targetting ======> cizin
backstab cizin
flee
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1039/1163 hp. Change: -124. Need: 124. Spells: none.



<758hp 433ma 336mv>backstab xarken
flee
Xarken makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.

<758hp 433ma 321mv>Xarken reports 216/283 hp. Change: -67. Need: 67. Spells: none.


<758hp 274ma 336mv>backstab xarken
Xarken makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.

<758hp 277ma 321mv>flee
Xarken reports 216/283 hp. Change: -67. Need: 67. Spells: none.

So we brought Kanae, again very low monk level so damage reduction should not matter

Kanae's last logon was Wed Sep 1 02:15:40 2010

[40b 40d 40n 40m 30c 23t 13o 17w 1a] Kanae %s



All stabbed at the same damage


Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 32 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
Your throat is starting to get dry.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (758/758+60) hit, (262/433+33) mana and (305/336+51) movement points.
Your armor class is 0.2.
You have +19 to hit, +10 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111370794 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
You are singing 'lion chorus'.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Resist Fire
Lion Chorus


<758hp 264ma 308mv>backstab cizin
flee
Cizin makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Cizin reports 1018/1163 hp. Change: -145. Need: 145. Spells: none.

<758hp 253ma 322mv>flee
Stun makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in his back.
Stun reports 958/1099 hp. Change: -141. Need: 141. Spells: none.

<758hp 241ma 315mv>flee
Kanae makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in her back.
Kanae reports 748/875 hp. Change: -127. Need: 127. Spells: none.



Huh ???


As a conclusion to this venture...

As tested on Cizin

1d1 Weapon with

3 damage = 103
4 damage = 108
5 damage = 117
6 damage = 124
6 damage with 7 stabdam = 131
7 dam + 4stab damage from opal bracelet = 135
10 damage ( 6 dam from eq + Lion chorus ) = 145



But at the same time, some seriously confusing results while stabbing different players :

With the same damage ( 10 ), Kanae got stabbed for 127, Stun got stabbed for 141 and Cizin got stabbed for 145..

With 6 damage and Level 20 Xarken got stabbed for 67 damage where cizin was getting stabbed for 124 and Mystic level 40 prime got stabbed for 87


And by bothering a few necros i tested a bit on wraiths


<758hp 282ma 311mv>Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 1 month, 33 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (758/758+49) hit, (282/433+21) mana and (311/311+40) movement points.
Your armor class is 1.1.
You have +19 to hit, +5 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 293488 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111391449 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 8 hours, 30 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Resist Fire


A wraith hates your guts!
A wraith makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in its back.
A wraith makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in its back.
A wraith quickly avoids your backstab, and you nearly cut your finger!

<745hp 360ma 294mv>Thraxas issues the order 'rep'.
A wraith reports 191/333 hp. Need: 142. 200/200 ma. 127/127 mv.
A wraith reports 297/297 hp. Need: 0. 200/200 ma. 127/127 mv.
A massive Ju-Ju Zombie reports 731/736 hp. Need: 5. 94/250 ma. 1078/1078 mv.



A wraith hates your guts!
A wraith makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in its back.
A wraith makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in its back.


Thraxas tells you 'A wraith reports 191/333 hp. Need: 142. 200/200 ma. 91/127 mv.'



Where i was stabbing Cizin for 117 damage on a single stab, i managed to double stab a wraith for 142 damage or 71 damage per stab, this is relative
to what i could stab Xarken ( level 20 ) for with 6 damage.



So what is the result after taking precious playtime away from so many people?

It seems that every point of damage adds on average 6hp to your stabs

And it is highly probable that anything low level that you stab, gets saved for half damage per stab and the higher level it becomes the less damage it gets saved to..

Here is the stabtable again


1d1 Weapon with

3 damage = 103
4 damage = 108
5 damage = 117
6 damage = 124
6 damage with 7 stabdam = 131
7 dam + 4stab damage from opal bracelet = 135
10 damage ( 6 dam from eq + Lion chorus ) = 145

I guess depending on mobs levels you can get anywhere between 50% of the damage in the table to its full ammount.

[Dragoth]

The idea that stab damage depends on the mobs levels is further confirmed by this


<used as light> an old copper lantern
<worn on finger> a man's diamond ring..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on finger> a man's diamond ring..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn around neck> a platinum chain
<worn around neck> a thief's shadow bending half-cloak..It has a soft glowing aura!
<worn on head> a prison guard helmet
<worn on legs> dwarvish greaves..It emits a faint humming sound!
<worn on feet> old viking boots
<worn on hands> a pair of onyx and diamond-studded gauntlets
<worn as shield> a giant oyster shell (with a single-striped white sash (Private) attached to it)
<worn about waist> a dull red belt
<wielded> a keen scalping blade
<held> a mu-jen doll


Xxx retired, sort of. (level: 40)
Your levels: Th: 40 Ma: 40 Cl: 36 Ne: 20 Ba: 14 Wa: 15 Mo: 10 Dr: 8
You are 30 years, 2 months, 15 days old.
You are a citizen of Settlestone.
You are a devout worshipper of Ming.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 24.1% of the world.
You have (758/758+49) hit, (391/413+21) mana and (311/311+40) movement points.
Your armor class is -1.9.
You have +20 to hit, +5 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 290798 gold coins.
You have thirty-seven drachma.
You have five hundred and twenty-one honor.
You have 111467754 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 43 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the channelling stratum.
Str: 18[16], Int: 18[18], Wis: 14[14], Dex: 19[18], Con: 16[15]
You are holding position towards the front of the group.
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Invisible
Darksight
Resist Fire
Bone Armor


At 5 damage i was doing 117 damage per stab to Cizin and yet it takes me 2 stabs to splork a 45hp mob :

The skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer reports 45/45 hp. Need: 0. 0/0 ma. 50/76 mv.

<758hp 379ma 311mv>Targetting ======> claw
backstab claw
Saving Xxx.
Saving items.

<758hp 383ma 311mv>The skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer hates your guts!
The skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer stops following you.
The skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer makes a strange sound, as you place a keen scalping blade in its back.
The skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer makes a strange sound but is suddenly very silent, as you place a keen scalping blade in its back!
The skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer is dead! R.I.P.
Total exp for kill is 0.
Your blood freezes as you hear the skeletal claw of a dwarven animal control officer's death cry

[jezer]

Heh, whats the bet they remove the 1d1 item, and then change the code.

Your not supposed to measure it and find the bugs!

6 damage with 7 stabdam = 131
6 dam + 4stab damage from opal bracelet = 135

Some items have hidden effects that don't identify iirc.

That's a real funny result all the same

As for different damages for different classes, it could be inbuilt ac. But still weird, and I'd guess buggy. Formula's have probably been modded to much over the years, Splork eluded to the saves code being just as loopy.

[Dragoth]

Actually its 7dam +4 stabdam Jez, it was a typo which i corrected - there are no bugs as far as im aware related to stabdam, it does what it does - always adding the exact damage to your stab unlike normal damage that fluctuates.

I now have absolute certainty that all the differences in damage we saw from stabbing different players but with the same damage was only due to their levels, nothing else. There is no way to make out what they reduce due to their monk position and the sanctity and the rest in this stabtest due to the differences in levels affecting the damage

[Dragoth]

However, with this test the rough multiplier pattern can now be seen, as while stabbing different players with different dam the damage is added and reduced in the same proportion.
So if i stab Cizin for 103 with 3 dam and 108 with 4 dam and i stab Stun for 99 hp with 3 dam then i will most definately stab him for 104 with 4 dam and so on! This seems to suggest that the damage from EQ is not getting reduced, but rather it's the base damage of the stab that is variable.

Even if the exact multiplier varies with damage ( i.e its not constant like it was in sloth3) a pattern can be seen. 5-7 hp per every dam.

Also, we can now see that the damage you do by your stab depends not only on your damage but also on the mobs level.

It seems to me that the stab formula is not very different to
(%basedamage*%moblevel + (%weaponroll+%damage)*%multiplier)+%poisondamage

So if the multiplier is 5-7 then at 20 damage i will have 100-140 damage that wont fluctuate and will be constant, which then adds to variable base damage and then all this together gets added to a constant poison damage.

[*Splork*]

There is no saves aspects to a backstab and from what I remember( and just looked at) mob level does not play a part in the calculation( the stats are most likely showing a reduction caused by max hps, not level). LArger creatures can be stabbed for larger amounts of damage. Stabs In sloth3 were doing upwards of 1000-1250 hps and we are on pace for very similar damage, and probably more, when and if Cizin reaches Avatar 40.

Stab equipment and poison get added after the base damage of a stab, and the base damage has always been variable. There are too many things which effect the base damage but to list a few are max hps of the target, damage reduction, position of thief in class order, level of thief, crippling strike, gods and lions( which has some randomness also), astrology( which has randomness as well), thief multi, etc etc.

Here is a small sampling of Cizin's and XXX's stabs ingame:

log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB0 dmg: 32 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB1 dmg: 224 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB2 dmg: 291 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB3 dmg: 291 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB6 dmg: 316 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB7 dmg: 316 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB0 dmg: 27 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB1 dmg: 189 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB2 dmg: 256 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB3 dmg: 256 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB6 dmg: 281 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:19:18 ** Xxx STAB7 dmg: 281 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB0 dmg: 46 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB1 dmg: 322 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB2 dmg: 409 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB3 dmg: 409 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB* dmg: 411 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB* dmg: 440 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB7 dmg: 440 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB0 dmg: 50 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB1 dmg: 350 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB2 dmg: 437 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB3 dmg: 437 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB4 dmg: 439 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB6 dmg: 468 **
log.txt:2010-08-30 12:44:00 ** Cizin STAB7 dmg: 468 **


This is for a single stab and just an average representation of what they have been doing ingame. I have no clue if gods or lions were being sang during these results. Different stabs will result in different output. This is a log, starting at point 0 of a stab and going all the way through the different damage additions. Cizin is doing upwards of 1k damage for a double stab and no excruciating blow and XXX is somewhere around the 600-725 mark.

Just an FYI,
Splork

[Thraxas]

overpowered feefs

[Dragoth]

Yes, thraxas , overpowered ~


<806hp 500ma 309mv>A ghost reports 133/133 hp. Need: 0. 0/0 ma. 50/85 mv.
A ghost reports 132/132 hp. Need: 0. 0/0 ma. 50/85 mv.

<806hp 505ma 309mv>The sun slowly disappears in the west.

<806hp 507ma 309mv>sca
You peer intently all around, and see:
a ghost : right here
a ghost : right here
Fee the peri : right here
a dire wolf : immediately to the west

<806hp 512ma 309mv>Targetting ======> ghost
backstab ghost
A ghost hates your guts!
A ghost stops following you.
A ghost makes a strange sound, as you place the Holy Dagger of Ming in its back.
A ghost quickly avoids your backstab, and you nearly cut your finger!

<806hp 513ma 299mv>
save
look ghost
Saving Xxx.
Saving items.

<806hp 514ma 300mv>This ghost is little more than a foggy, transparent vision. It fades in
and out of existence with each passing breeze. The spirit's pale features
make it hard to discern the gender of the ghost. It struggles against the
constraints placed on it by the powerful magic that has summoned it to this
plane of existence. The ghost disappears momentarily, only to reappear
angry and resolved to break its master's grip.
A ghost has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

You attempt to peek at the inventory:
You can't see anything.

<806hp 514ma 300mv>sc
10 seconds to full mana
You miss a ghost with your pierce.
A ghost misses you with its pound.
A ghost bites you very hard.
You miss a ghost with your pierce.


You have +8 to hit, +4 on damage and up to 2 attacks.

+4 damage is what you get with 18 strength btw..

Im not complaining, im happy with my thief and i think Cizin is too, but to get thief to become powerfull you need alot of work

[Belion]

Well Splork has already sorted this out, let me just add a couple of numbers from S3 code - please note the numbers most likely have changed since then, but you can get the idea anyway.

To keep it really simple I assume there is no poison, no sleigh of hand, no other factors. In this simple case total damage would be calculated as follows:
damage roll (char dam + weapon dam) * 9 (multiplier for 40 level thief) * 0.94 (for non-prime thieves only)
PLUS
max mob hps * 0.065 (with a cap of 550 for prime, 400 for nonprime)
Again this most likely has been changed, and also iirc stab damage would calculate differently if a player not a mob was stabbed, but the idea is the percentage of max mob hps takes a significant part in total stab damage.

[Dragoth]

From the tests above it's pretty obvious that the multi is not 9, as you get anywhere from 5 to 9 hp damage from every damage point, so the code was changed from what you have bel.

As for HP playing a role in this, again its hard to say how much it is, but it plays a bigger role than thief's weapon roll and damage roll thats all i can say. Testing it yesterday i was stabbing some mobs in regen gear ( 4 dam with secari dagger ) and in my damage gear ( 15 dam with 33 stabdam and trocar of the demilich) and the difference was minimal, i.e i could stab a mob to big nasty wounds in regen gear and to pretty hurt in my stab gear.