Bards Instruments

[Leaf]

Hello,

Can anyone or Barbs player define the %/%/% on eq?

Like the viol, drum, or other eq?

I know one is like a time before you need to sing again, another is mana %
on saving for each "resing", but thats only two

[Shara]

%bonus effectiveness on song/%mana saved on song/# of extra people affected by song

At least I think so? You think I'd know for sure

[blackmore]

It's % increase in song length, % mana reduction, # of added listeners.

[Leaf]

Humm... ok cool,

Do they stack with more eq that has %/%/% ??? or it's just off 1 item?

Also does Charsmia help add # of ppl effected by a song?

[Gnu]

Only instruments have "%/%/%" and all these bonuses do not stack. You use the instrument with highest bonuses automatically.

As or charisma EQ, I am quite sure it does not affect the number of listeners...

[Tetsulunathaya]

You sure that Charisma doesn't effect the number of people affected by benificial songs? From what I've seen, it usually does? I could be wrong though too.

[blackmore]

I was almost positive it did - maybe by increasing the max # or something. I don't know why I thought this, but that was what I seemed to believe.

[Leaf]

Just wondering, because alot of "higher" bards with +charisma eq effect
more ppl in larger groups. However a bard with lower charisma eq, won't
be able to effect the same number of ppl. Or thats how it always seems.

[Shara]

I was always under that impression!

[Gnu]

Well... I could be wrong with the way of testing... but I did the following thing:
I took my charisma mode that is just 3 or 4 point less than cap for prime bard, went to gnolls, entered the room with the most number of mobs and used CRY. Result - 14 corpses, and some mobs where not even touched.
After repop in gnolls I took my regen mode (that provides me with about 5 charisma points) and did the same thing ... Result was the same... I may be wrong with the exect number 14 or 11... but it was the same as in charisma mode. That's why I made my conclusion.

My view of the problem. I am sure that the number of listeners depend on the instrument you are using, your level and, may be, on glamour... and, if I am right, then I do not think that it is a good idea to make it depandent on charisma...

[Tetsulunathaya]

Direct from the Glamour Spell description:

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e 'glamour' spell drastically increases the
bard's charisma, enabling him to affect more people with his songs (in
Ocarp's case, enabling people to stand his presence - barely)
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So Glamour affects the number of affected targets BY affecting charisma.

Regarding your method of testing, I beleive the offensive abilities do not drawn their 'number of affected targets' from a bards charisma, but have a set number of max targets (the 11-14 or so that you said, can't really remember what it was when i tested it). But I did the same thing, and no charisma - mid charisma - and Full Charisma all effected the same ammount. In this case, all charisma will do is affect the saving throws of the mobs against your songs. Again, I could be wrong.

I'll test it again, along with some area spells, see if perhaps they might have the same cap on targets? I theorize that they might use the same maxes? Anyone know if firestorm and such has a cap?

The # of targets regarding charisma and instrument are likely only for benificial spells, I would assume. Gods, and dreams, and the like.


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