Pthieves - What's the story?

[Grue]

Daisy wrote:

[color=red:12qkgn9u]why is that the very few, and it does seem to me to be a very vocal minority, that try and defend pstealing seem to think they're in the majority?

From what I've seen pthieves are a nuisance minority, those supporting or defending them also very few. Is there any way we can start a poll? [/color:12qkgn9u]

Seems based on the current results of your poll only 22% of people support wiping pthieves or changing the rules. If the trend stays that way and we have the "imperical data" showing that most people don't agree with you and you are in the minority, will you give it up the? Or will you still insist that the majority agrees with you in spite of your poll results?

[12345]

I was kinda curious where Daisy's well reasoned argument or data were... but Weasel seemed to think she had them, so I didn't say anything

[Weasel]

heh.. reasoned arguements anyway.. somehow I don't think anybody would deny that having your eq stolen sucks.. unless of course you're the pthief How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay?

Actually I shouldn't get involved, it's pointless, so *waves*

[12345]

[quote="Weasel":jym6xlif]How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay? [/quote:jym6xlif]
It doesn't at all. However, neither does dying, rent, gravity, drowning, aggro mobs, eating, drinking, sleeping, regening or a number of other things. But they exist, so we deal with them

[Weasel]

yeah, gravity sucks.
NP, being a pthief victim can be a good lesson for players (don't leave eq in inventory), but pthieving someone when they're changing eq to do a raise, or in a group changing into regen eq.. that's when it's detrimental to gameplay. I'm glad one of the older pthief tricks in particular haven't been used in recent times - nowhere is safe from some of them heh..

Along the same lines, Poolp seems to pthief to teach people a lesson, and he/she seems to offer the eq back for sale which is in some ways a redeeming characteristic, other pthiefs I'm not so sure of though..

Que sera, sera.

[Grue]

I must say I find the current spate of pthieving, mainly one person witha whole string of known pthieves, logging on, off, on off etc, extremely annoying.

I do think some things like quitting and logging on another pthief to web someone is getting close to multiplaying. If you look at the rule that says you can't mort a mob, rent and bring a newbie on to kill it beacuse it is using one char to benefit another, the same could be said for using one pthief char to log on web someone when your other can't.

On the other hand I have't seen any of the really spectacular pthieving I have seen in the past, which seem to take people a lot more patience, and sometimes we never found out who did it. This kind of full-frontal blunt run around the web with countless mid range thiefs and steal from newbies is a bit tasteless (if thieving can have class in any way).

Having said all that, I'm tired of all the whining to change the rules.

[kjartan]

[quote="12345":6wp9cp0u][quote="Weasel":6wp9cp0u]How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay? [/quote:6wp9cp0u]
It doesn't at all. However, neither does dying, rent, gravity, drowning, aggro mobs, eating, drinking, sleeping, regening or a number of other things. But they exist, so we deal with them [/quote:6wp9cp0u]
I would say all of these things add to gameplay - that's why they're there.

[Vixn]

[quote="12345":37dnykje][quote="Weasel":37dnykje]How does having your eq stolen improve gameplay? [/quote:37dnykje]
It doesn't at all. However, neither does dying, rent, gravity, drowning, aggro mobs, eating, drinking, sleeping, regening or a number of other things. But they exist, so we deal with them [/quote:37dnykje]

Pthieving sucks. It doesn't make my life interesting, it can't annoy me. What really makes me crazy is sucky pop-rate. 'How does having weeks wasted to pop one single cp improve gameplay?' Let's change the world.



Vixn, The Laziest Always-JokA Whiner

[Daisy]

[quote="Weasel":2t9fwo7c]... but it is highly likely you'll get nowhere with it except to end up holding a resentment, which really is going to be to sloth's detriment in the long run as you will be just one more person playing here who is now unwilling to help with the development of the mud, but hey, nobody gives a toss. Your suggestions, ideas and input are discouraged here, as ridiculous as that may sound...[/quote:2t9fwo7c]

Good point well made ... I'm not discouraged nor about to leave ... but I can see that obtuse as it sounds your logic appears to run true.

For me this is the end of the road on this topic, if I find another hobby horse I'll think about another way to ride it.

[quote:2t9fwo7c] If the trend stays that way and we have the "imperical data" showing that most people don't agree with you and you are in the minority, will you give it up the? Or will you still insist that the majority agrees with you in spite of your poll results?[/quote:2t9fwo7c]

Firstly its empirical, if you want to use big words learn to spell them first.
Secondly the whole reason for the poll wasn't to demonstrate support, it was to determine what the support was, (currently 25% for 25% strongly against 50% just dislike it ... so either you're in the minority or we both are depending on how you read it ), and no I won't disregard the results, what gives you the impression that I would? Will you? 75% of results show dislike of pstealing or want rules changed to disallow it, then again I wonder what % of players dislike dying ...

anyway as this is my last post on this subject, I'll just say its been fun.

[Grue]

Daisy wrote
"Firstly its empirical, if you want to use big words learn to spell them first."

I always find these kinds of replies so childish. Someone is typing a message in their free 2 minutes between meetings and fat-fingers a word, so some like dork always has to go "Oh you spelled it wrong, tee-hee-hee."

If you want to get picky about grammar, it is "it's" not "its", so why don't you learn to spell the little words before getting childish about the big words.

The poll at the moment shows that 60% of people are willing to live with pthieving with no changes. That is not quite a two thirds majority, but it is a simple majority. Unlike you this will be my last post

[Poolp]

[url:34mgqals]http://slothmud.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=9029#9029[/url:34mgqals]

Since everybody loves reading this post so much.. Anyway I'm having plenty of smiles just watching all of you argue and complain, carry on please

[12345]

Grue, you are giving Daisy WAY too much credit. Her arguments from the start have been very silly...

[quote="Daisy":5yxmnuqn]Sloth is not a pkill mud, as such it shouldn't be a pthievery mud. [/quote:5yxmnuqn]
Where exactly is the logic in that? Or perhaps there's some logic in the several rants where she states that Poolp and Derro MUST be multiplaying because they said they are. That's great logic and data. I'm the President of the United States. There, I said it... it MUST be true. Please start sending me your taxes.

The smartest thing she did was put up a poll, which doesn't give obvious support to either side.

The facts of the matter are very simple. Everything a pthief does is designed to get under your skin. They will emote anything under the sun, they will gossip anything they want. But in the end, it is too easy to thwart a pthief.

[mudder]

I'm beginning to see the attraction in ptheft if it gets this much attention it becomes a whole new game of its own ... I think Daisy and others here have converted me
(Respect to Poolp btw for using this thread to advertise his stolen eq)

However lets be fair to her:

[quote="12345":27aigpcj]Implying that your thinking is obtuse and should be disregarded because you mispelled something ...[/quote:27aigpcj]

Yes pulling someone up on spelling here is more than silly, to my mind she's looking frustrated (take that any way you want), but I didn't read her post as saying anyones thinking was obtuse because of thier spelling ... that seemed to be a stand alone trollish statement.

[quote="12345":27aigpcj] ... I'm pretty sure I can make a poll that shows 75% of us dislike our alarm clocks. That doesn't mean we should make them illegal. Personally, I find my alarm clock more troubling than most thieves.[/quote:27aigpcj]

I think she was trying to make the point in her own post that the poll results could be read in a number of ways, so you're agreeing with her really ...

As for the rest, she's said she won't post on this thread again, but I'm sure she'll read it, how could she not after so many posts? So how do we react?

1. she's a sitting duck, lets attack her, she can't reply, and if she does we can slate her for that

or

2. breath a sign of relief, agree to disagree and forget all about her

(actually the first sounds like more fun ... lets do it )

Troll Troll Troll Troll

[12345]

Ok, I didn't interpret my statements as such, but I acquiesce. The percieved offensive statements have been removed from my post. I think the point still stands though.

[quote="mudder":3qizloeq]As for the rest, she's said she won't post on this thread again, but I'm sure she'll read it, how could she not after so many posts? So how do we react? [/quote:3qizloeq]
I just realized that I hadn't responded to this, so I'll make a quick comment on it. When a child stomps out of the room and slams the door, it doesn't make them any more right or more righteous, they just think they are.

My intent isn't to troll her, but I'm only human. I'll apologize on that account.

[firebrand]

this is quite amusing. we all say that responding to a pthief just accomplishes his goal of getting attention and of course feeds the fire and encourages the behavior, playing right into his hands and giving him exactly what he wants, but has anyone considered that they are giving the exact same power to daisy and we are giving her exactly what she wants? kudos daisy - well played. you got your fifteen seconds of fame. now it's time to say good night, bow, and exit stage left .