Shifted Crapma Eq

[jezer]

<REPEAT>

There are only 5 listed drachma shift items in the quest shops... known as crapma eq by most drooids...

About Body
Cloak of the Tainted Rose (+7 Mana, +2 Ma Regen, Container) (Prime Only)
Silken Shawl of Lolth (+30 Spell Bonus, +1 Ma Regen)

Shield
Shield of the Rose (+8 Mana, +1 Ma Regen)

Boots
Boots of the Forest Walker (+1 Ma Regen, +5 Mana)

Low
Stone Token (+30 Mana, +3 Ma Regen)

<RANT>
About Body drachma robes are useless to shifters unless it has about -0.5ac, we want our bonus -1ac!
Why should I pay 500 Drachma to buy shield of the rose +1 ma regen when I already have 140ma regen?
Why should I pay 800 Drachma to buy a stone token when Ars Magica costs only time and coins for -5 mana?
What use is the Silken Shawls shifted spell bonus?
Why is most of the ingame shifted eq better for shifters than the crapma eq?
</RANT>

Please Fix!,
Love Apprentice (And a silent druid majority!)

PS Don't listen to Strider! (Pikel doesn't shift - Traitor! Kick him out from the Guild!)

cast 'aegis' apprentice
cast 'improved haste' apprentice
cast 'spell shield' apprentice 40
cast 'spectral shield' apprentice
cast 'resist fire' apprentice
shapeshift seadragon

I'm ready you trollers! You dumb Warriors, You manic Necro's, You whiffin' Thieves, You crunchy Mages! Come get it! Drooids Unite! ROOOAAARRR!

Ok...

</REPEAT>

[alias]

The answer is you are powerful enough shifted...spend your drachma on eq you need to stay alive when your not shifted.

[jezer]

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[*juggleblood*]

start a new classo?

[jezer]

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[Weasel]

[quote="jezer":dgx5fumq]Why should I pay 500 Drachma to buy shield of the rose +1 ma regen when I already have 140ma regen?[/quote:dgx5fumq]
Yes you're quite right - that's way too much mana regen already.

[Mosaix]

I think what hes trying to say is that Ars Magica should NOT be shiftable, so he can spend his drachma on a shiftable stone token.

Yeah thats it

[jezer]

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[Rynquald]

Not to take the non-druid side, but what stats would really be useful on shiftable drach eq?

As you pointed out, regen isn't really worth it for shifting. None of the "special" stats work in form (weapondam, stabdam, spell/healbonus, etc.), although I'm not sure about dam reduc. AC is pointless since you can make -12 with ingame stuff, or with only one piece if you're a 4xcaster.

Shifting chars are in the enviable position of being pretty much fine with no eq at all (within reason, I'm generalising of course). Seems to make it hard to make eq for them that isn't either useless or overpowered.

[jezer]

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Heh, but all the same, thanks for being the first to be logical in your opinion.

[quote:2ll0kqv1]AC is pointless since you can make -12 with ingame stuff, [b:2ll0kqv1]or with only one piece if you're a 4xcaster. [/b:2ll0kqv1][/quote:2ll0kqv1]

Do you know something I don't know? I wear a twisted thorn, shifted tiger fur cloak with crest, dolphin skin boots, shifted -0.5ac robe and thick leather belt to make my -1.1ac. Are you suggesting I can get the -1 AC shifting one item? Have I missed something totally obvious?

Your kind of right about regen and kind of wrong. Regen eq is useless to us sleeping because we have tons... however regen shifted while we are running is [b:2ll0kqv1]extremely valuable[/b:2ll0kqv1]... (BUT!! not at the expense of our -1ac shifted bonus!) For example... I am 4-5 points away from maintaining tarantula form outdoors...

So! That shield of the rose and boots of the forest walker... are useful when we are shifted... just expensive crap when we are not... I could sleep for an extra 1.54322 seconds to make up for there loss!

I will have a full blown argument with some of your other points... but I'm in a state of shock about your quote... and if your claim is how I understand it, it changes what I think are our drachma eq requirements lots... If I didn't wear thick leather belt and shift cloak with crest for str... which I need to get 25/100, I could currently be wearing +3 mana regen in these slots. I hope your statement is correct. Please respond.

[Rynquald]

Sorry, I meant one piece of drachma eq. Since there are no ingame .8 necks without nc restricts. That was some poor phrasing now I re-read it

Although now I think about it, that only applies to piasa, where you have to give up one neck slot to the avian scale. Unless you do the thing with removing the scale after shifting, but I'm reluctant to include that in eq considerations since it could get fixed sometime.

I do tend to undervalue shiftable regen gear since my usual engagement time in form is far too short for it to make more than a trivial difference. But that would be a lot different if you kill a lot of thick mobs that can't hit.

Also, I'm all for new drachma eq for all classos, I just can't see much eq that would actually be worthwhile for a shifting char. Perhaps dam or dam reduc.

[jezer]

I'm still confused...

How does one shift neck eq to do this -1ac thing? Because the neck crests are in fact + (PLUS) 0.5 ac and they are the only way I know off to shift neck eq. So the maximum ac gained in using them is -0.3ac on a -0.8ac guards.

Also I don't see any -0.8ac drachma neck eq on the eq list. If there is some, I'd like to know about it and it's restrictions.

[Rynquald]

Okay, I mean all the normal shift ac eq plus one piece of drachma eq, a .8 neck.

If I'm not loosing my mind, to get -1 on piasa you need:
-0.1 boots
-0.1 belt
-0.5 robe
-0.8 neck with crest for -0.3 total

Since there are no .8 necks ingame that don't need a nc class (unless something has been added recently), you need drachma. As for exactly what eq it is, I'm not the right person to provide a definitive answer since I can just wear darksteals. But as far as I know it's the icy shoulder guards from Adante. Maybe Stryx or some other 4xcaster druid who's actually run into this could confirm/correct?

[jezer]

Stryx kindly showed me what he wears in his eq modes, in none of them he wears -0.8ac necks, as far as I know there are none, ingame or in questshop 4 x casters can wear...

So... here is what I place emphasis on as a shifter... in order...

1) -1 AC Bonus
2) 25/100 Str
3) Shifted Mana Regen
4) Healbonus on Shifted Eq (For when I shift return, heal self and reshift)
5) Shifted +Mana

So those drachma robes are useless... as they automatically negate our primary objective of reaching the -1 ac bonus.

The stone token gives us +5 max mana for the value of 797 drachma over Ars Magica... UNBELIEVABLY extremely bad value.

The shield (500 Drachma) seems a little expensive for +1 mana in 60 seconds... admittedly it's not totally useless, it's just extremely bad value.

The ingame boots give us -0.1 ac which the drachma ones don't which can make all the difference in keeping the -1ac bonus. Once again not totally useless, it's just extremely bad value.

SO DRACHMA EQ = CERTIFIABLE CRAP for Shifters.

Now there are no shiftable arm, on body eq's for druid. There is a drachma shield, shiftable legs somewhere in Mystica, shiftable light as avatar... all other slots are coverd by eq.

Why not make drachma eq for these slots? Especially if I'm wearing silly stuff shifted such as rings, boots and belts... there is no justifable reason for not having eq in these slots.

Secondly getting 25/100 is not an easy task, and it would be nice if some druid drachma shift gear had +1 strength.

Thirdly getting -1ac shift bonus ties up slots where we could be wearing mana regen items instead. Why not a couple of pieces in the right place with -0.1 or -0.2 ac. We are talking about allowing a druid to add 2 or 3 points to shifted forms only by doing this.

Fourthly give us a shiftable -0.4 or -0.5 robe for prime druids, this way we can hand back our maple leaf brooches and get something useful.

Fifth, small perm spells on shifted eq is nice because we can't recast them when they drop and we are shifted!

Sixth, shifted heal bonus is nice. When we attack big mobs and shift return, we heal up and reshift, and this makes a shift heal bonus useful.

I haven't even asked for a damage point! All I want is to be able to buy something of value with my drachma... I haven't asked to be over powered I've asked for things that give me only options of juggling my current eq around!

Stick this in ya pipes and smoke it, all ya non-shifters!

[Rynquald]

Out of curiosity, what does Stryx wear to get the full -1 in piasa gear?

I can only see how to get -.9 without some kind of .8 neckwear, so I guess I'm missing some piece of eq, maybe prime.