Grouping

[Widow]

Thanks, FB, I wasn't aware of the ungroup command and will review the remaining help files.

[Jag]

Nice post Thraxas.

[Assirian]

wow, so much letters..

As for me, we have few groups mostly becouse of lack of time and inappropriate people's mood.

And, imho, sloth is not grouporiented.. (since we have necros 8-\)

[Leaf]

U forgot Thiefs too. They don't get along with anyone!

[jezer]

[quote="Leaf":iufz6vl9]U forgot Thiefs too. They don't get along with anyone![/quote:iufz6vl9]

I've noticed a little bit more of an upsurge in pthief sympathy on this board of late... not just tap... but in subtle ways...

Every new difficulty in sloth being overcome is caused by lack of player abilities because pthiefing was taken out...

There is talk of the "Good Old Days" when pthief players were "Old School" which somehow makes them nice little forgivable angels... and they were just so good and darling that everyone respected the little rascals...

Slam them every time! Don't give up slamming them! Someday some immortal just might believe there rubbish if we don't!

[Thraxas]

[quote="Jag":39c8y91u]Nice post Thraxas.[/quote:39c8y91u]

Thanks, I'm surprised there haven't been loads more serious suggestions though, I thought you'd all be bursting with ideas.

[Thraxas]

Are we still looking for ideas for grouping? Probably not but here goes anyway.

To manage botting / afking in groups:

In my opinion it isn't that people bot or afk in groups that is the problem, everyone needs an afk from time to time, sometimes this is unexpected and sometimes no notice can be given; babies do cry, phones and doorbells ring, partners do come over and ask inane questions and demand some attention.

The current solution to such situations is to either:

1. Bot, in which case the habit of botting grows: if its ok for 2 mins, why not 5 mins or 10 or the whole group while you watch the latest episode of Lost.
2. Recall, which disrupts the group, breaks the prot chain and would make groups unmanagable if everyone recalled for every afk.

No the problem to my mind is that when these things happen you have no good and legal way to say you are afk then afk without disrupting the flow of the group and risking death.

Perhaps a solution would be the introduction of an afk status. This would mean:

1. You gained no xp, loots or coins.
2. You stayed with the leader of the group through all portals, doors etc.
3. You didn't break the prot chain.
4. You could perform no actions either by script or manually.
5. You could take no part in fights.
5. You're regen was zeroed.

If someone in group could declare themselves legally afk in such a way or the leader could declare those they believed to be botting afk in such a way then groups could run without the worry of disruption for the short breaks that are sometimes necessary particularly in the 5 hour straight running no regen groups.

[Vixn]

[quote="Thraxas":1q8yfjdk]No the problem to my mind is that when these things happen you have no good and legal way to say you are afk then afk without disrupting the flow of the group and risking death.[/quote:1q8yfjdk]

You can say I need to go afk, type refollow, turn lurking on and recall.
If others players aren't botting they will be able to fix prot over you.

[quote="Thraxas":1q8yfjdk]Perhaps a solution would be the introduction of an afk status. This would mean:

1. You gained no xp, loots or coins.
2. You stayed with the leader of the group through all portals, doors etc.
3. You didn't break the prot chain.
4. You could perform no actions either by script or manually.
5. You could take no part in fights.
5. You're regen was zeroed.[/quote:1q8yfjdk]

1. why do bot if you get no xp for it?
2. you can push bot through the portals and most of us yet have good scripts for entering archway right after tank or leader
3. when i move newcomer beneath the bot he don't fix prot - that's the problem.
4. --
5. if your regen are zeroed you will run out of moves, lost and break the prot chain anyway.

Vixn aka Edd

[Thraxas]

[quote="Vixn":rvn0rzgz] sojme stuff [/quote:rvn0rzgz]

I think you're missing my point, or I'm not explaining it well perhaps.

Illegal botting happens now, I was trying to find an easier way to legally deal with some of the problems that cause illegal botting and allow a legal botting status that dosen't hurt the group dosen't put your char in danger and dosen't benefit you and dosen't put you in a position where you feel it necessary to break rules just to take a pee.

I know I don't have all the answers, and I can find more flaws in my last post than you have so far posted, but its an idea, a suggestion and there would be answers to all the issues if there was apetite among the imms to develop in this way.

[13]

LOL back in the day we had imms and they watched things with severity
turned way up, they compared IP addresses, they checked for botters.
they checked for cheaters in the immortal realm as well....what happened?
Even Talo/Ulrich/Cynix can get away with multiplaying REPEATEDLY.
I got wiped for getting my corpse with a different character once...
I almost think that Wilde and Nia and Hectordark made it a little more
interesting. I would be willing to bet that I could get away with levelling a
40 40 with a 40 tard on lyme or with sneaking specs off. I'm curious why the situation has degraded to the point where once a month there is an
all-inclusive botting/grouping thread.

if you dont like botters, kick them out or pkill them.
and then...DON'T LET THEM IN AGAIN TOMORROW.
just my 2 cents you whining pussies,

Aaron

[Weasel]

Can't argue with that. If you let it happen in a group (as leader), then don't whine about it. Simple. Kick their a55es! You can do it!

Unfortunately until the playerbase increases a bit, we may be stuck with having to take the law into our own hands.... muahahaha

AFAIK it is ok to do your own CR, just so long as it's a corpse so you aren't actually logged in with both chars simultaneously.

[*juggleblood*]

[quote="13":32oyegp4] I would be willing to bet that I could get away with levelling a
40 40 with a 40 tard on lyme.[/quote:32oyegp4]

I bet ya 20 bucks. Course you'd be reported, win or lose.

[quote="13":32oyegp4]I'm curious why the situation has degraded to the point where once a month there is an all-inclusive botting/grouping thread.[/quote:32oyegp4]

Problems are never as extreme as they appear on the crier. It just gives us something to talk about and get indignant about once in a while. What make me curious is why you read it, and get indignant also, even tho you're not playing atm.

[jezer]

[quote="juggleblood":uw8nta1h]Problems are never as extreme as they appear on the crier. It just gives us something to talk about and get indignant about once in a while.[/quote:uw8nta1h]

That's so true! It's human to explode your problems bigger than what they are to others... and talking about it often "resets" that build up in anxiety.

Some people bottle there frustrations and vent massively once in a while, others don't like to talk about because they think it shows weakness. Some don't care to much about being seen as weak. Everyone is different.

I enjoy 13's posts, there is normally a "story telling" aspect about them that seems to grab my attention. It's always a good read.

I've heard bits and piece's about Hectordick and Nia, seems most people didn't like them much, or at least viewed them as harsh. But I bet you old tards gave as good as you got!

[Tap]

Jism wrote:
[quote:1tfppmrk]
I've noticed a little bit more of an upsurge in pthief sympathy on this board of late... not just tap... but in subtle ways...

Every new difficulty in sloth being overcome is caused by lack of player abilities because pthiefing was taken out...[/quote:1tfppmrk]

So you support pthieving?

[quote:1tfppmrk]Slam them every time! Twisted Evil Don't give up slamming them![/quote:1tfppmrk]

So you don't support pthieving?

[quote:1tfppmrk]I enjoy 13's posts, there is normally a "story telling" aspect about them that seems to grab my attention[/quote:1tfppmrk]

You support being grabbed by 13?

[quote:1tfppmrk] But I bet you old tards gave as good as you got![/quote:1tfppmrk]

TMI

[jezer]

I DO NOT support pthiefing...

But just because people have or are pthief's doesn't mean I hate them with everything within me.

I try to find things about people that I like, even though they might really annoy me from time to time.

With poolp right, I killed him as often as I could, but I never "abused" him like some other players did... Same thing with Yasik, he often annoys me, but I choose not to harbor resentment, and some days, he is actually even good...! For example, when I hit tard, he offered to log on a newbie who was holding and aegis book, which I accepted.

It's about walking a fine line between respect for human beings, and yet not supporting what the human beings are doing...

Your a sly one Tap, clever at twisting facts.. your dangerous.