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[Weasel]

[quote="alias":10i5vgzn]Your choice to have a perm valker is your choice, noone is making you stay in newbie central. I don't personally think stupidity should be rewarded with the ability to buy what only the people who grunted out to 5x40 are able to buy. If you wanna stay on vk to help newbs thats cool , but I don't think we need super-newbs on valk.
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More likely Tap would like the Valk bonus for making a Valk super-pthief char for if/when pthieving returns full time.

[quote="mahkra":10i5vgzn]what is the cap for Spelldam/healdam/weapon dam?[/quote:10i5vgzn]

AFAIK it depends on class order and perhaps levels too?

[Tap]

Damn it you paranoid furball. You seem to obseess over the fact that I'm NOT a pthief. Anywho....

Last I checked 2 bil exp was 2 bil exp whether it's on a 5x40, a 3x40 or lowly quad 20. Not stating that valkers should get a break and get stats at a cheaper price that would be wiped if you >20. Just don't see a difference experience wise. Also, an extra +5 mana/hp/move for a pthief char? Heh, I don't think anyone is that foolish to do so. Hell, soon as you got outed, there goes any future exp tokens so it's like shooting one's self in the foot. However, a non-pthief perm-valker like, say me, would like to add some perm spell affects like my lyme counterparts. You could find flaws in my reasoning but I could just as well apply those same arguements towards a 5x40.



[quote:p9a7atak]More likely Tap would like the Valk bonus for making a Valk super-pthief char for if/when pthieving returns full time[/quote:p9a7atak]

Pthieving is gonan return soon? Relly? Not that I care of course but have you heard a timeline?

[Tap]

Slide Notell- Anyonion half a good spelchekc progran, lemming nose.

[Deju]

[quote="Tap":254grxy8]Last I checked 2 bil exp was 2 bil exp whether it's on a 5x40, a 3x40 or lowly quad 20. Not stating that valkers should get a break and get stats at a cheaper price that would be wiped if you >20. Just don't see a difference experience wise. [/quote:254grxy8]

If a 4x20 valker wants to buy stats for the same prices as 5x40s i would have no problem with this, on ONE condition:

the valker would have to first gain all the xp and gold required to get to 5x40. then they could begin collecting xp tokens. So go ahead and get started collecting the 55.5 billion xp and 135 million gold required. I'm sure you'll be buying stats with your valker any day now.

Why do you think you should get the same rights to buy stats as someone who has earned all that xp and gold, without actually earning it? The rights to buy those stats are provided as a reward for someone who has done the work.

[Leaf]

Anywho I was just throwing an idea out there ppl.

Seems like everyone is agaist it, which I don't understand. Its a PERM Vker.
If they leave, all the bonus will go pooof. And to get 55billion exp for a vk?
Come on... 3x40 has a hard enough time getting that exp. How would a VK
get that much exp without Lyme Exp?? Plus 4x20 caps at what .. 1mil a kill?
So after years of a 4x20 getting exp, he/she might be able to help improve
their stats? Think if Isatar getting a "bonus" eq to help ppl. So why can't
they get other bonus.

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Yeah, what I said

[Deju]

[quote="Leaf":142a9nb5]And to get 55billion exp for a vk?
Come on... 3x40 has a hard enough time getting that exp. How would a VK get that much exp without Lyme Exp?? Plus 4x20 caps at what .. 1mil a kill? So after years of a 4x20 getting exp, he/she might be able to help improve their stats? [/quote:142a9nb5]

This is exactly my point. Why should valkers get the right to buy stats without doing the work to earn that right?

[Leaf]

Like I said Deju, its temp (if lvl 21 poof).

To earn it, lvling 4x20 is pretty hard cause the cap is around 900k for their
max exp. Compared to a 3x40 or higher which is what ... 3mil and 5mil if
they are a tardish? There will be a max cap for spell, heal, hp, mana, etc...
This is a vk char, ok so image if a a 4x20 MAX the caps for spell, heal, hp,
mana, stats, etc... What the hell can they really kill/solo besides anything
on VK?

So lets say a vk needs 200-400mil to buy tokens. Thats still is alot of a mobs
to kill.

[Malison]

Getting 4x20 is actually pretty easy. Just join a couple BH groups and you're there within a week. Getting together 5 2-billion xp tokens to buy some HP, however, is, as has been said, immensely harder for someone getting 1 mil max instead of 5 for every kill.

This is definitely a reasonable idea with the condition that the bonuses go away once you level offvalk, and price the bonuses the same as at avatar..

[banedon]

As i said before, I think this is a good idea, it could be kind of an incentive for experienced players to stay on VK and be able to help out new players.

I'm sure this one will pull in all kinds of flames, but if it wouldnt be too hard to code, one idea that popped in my head is letting a 4x20 with cleric spend 500m in exp and maybe 1m in gold and get a VK only raise dead spell, becuase i dont know how many times ive seen someone over level 15 get them selves dead and then corpse and end up losing a level because no raisers could get to VK. Like Leaf (Will?) said maybe consider it another benefit for someone who wants to be an Isitar? Ok, ive said my peace, flame away.

BTW - I'd love to hear Krom or Splork's feelings on this

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4x20 is way too easy to let them buy stats,
plus then ya could just level

[Leaf]

[quote="13":186kf65f]4x20 is way too easy to let them buy stats,
plus then ya could just level[/quote:186kf65f]


Aa if u have read my posts, like 2 of them. Once the char lvl off VK all
bonus like stats, hp, mana, heal, spell will go POOF. Its not like an avatar
bonuses, which is "perm".

Lay off the drugs man...

[Tap]

Nothing beats a cat nap. In all seriousness, you act like you're gonan have a ton of valkers buying all kinda crazy 'power-ups' week in/out. This overlooking the fact that the exp needed would no doubt take 2-3 months of serious carnage. But I digress...

[alias]

The buying stuff w. tokens and goes poof when u level up to 21st is interresting, but why should a level 20 have more weapon dam than a level 40 who hasn't had that opportunity. If you really want to implement it then may I suggest it only counts on Valk and not dependant on levels. ie you have +9 weapon damage on valk you boat to bh and boom your back down to 0. this way it would be fair to the people who havent attained avatar status and who chose not to confine their life to valk. I still don't like it but at least a level 40 warrior wont be outdone by a level 20 cleric in a group.

When are you gonna put innate ac in for war primes at lyme mayor to buy?

I'd spend 5 tokens for .1 ac.

[Tap]

Seems would be easy enough to code. Make a MOB that makes you a perm citiizen. Such ' FLAGGING ' would prevent one from leaving valk via dragons or fargate. Also, once you have chose to become a perm citizen, you won't be able to un-do so one would have to be sure. The trade-off being you won't be able to do most quests which are off-valk and stuck to scatters on valk. So you would have to buy all your weaver stuff before making the 'change'.
The bonus being, if you wanted to spend 2-3 years buffing up a perm valker, why not be as powerful as a level 40ish? This is all hypothetical as it were, I'd rather have duel wield ingame. *poke*