Avatar Light Discussion

[Toxis]

I put post here to bring up discussion. Let's get some thoughts, input.

I've been trying to talk the imms into changing the way the 5x40 gear has been run for like 7 years. What I would like to see are different catagories of what you could put on an avatar light. You cannot choose two of the same choice on a avatar light, it has to be two different choices.

1: +5 mana regen
2: +3 of any stat
3: +2 damage
4: +50 mana
5: +50 hitpoints
6: +25 hprg
7: +75 moves
8: +15 mvrg
9: -.4 ac
etc.. it's an avatar light, it should be tough

-Toxis/Brad

[Weasel]

Yeah true, although +3 of any stat as one of the two attributes attached to the light might be a bit hopeful.. hehe. As someone mentioned in the 3x40 eq thread, having a 3x40 light that is more powerful than the equivalently attributed 5x40 seems, well, wrong. However, I'm guessing with the drachma shop upgrade, then the 3x40 upgrade, it follows that the avatar light will be next.

Now my pet whine, just for the sake of it.. not much Warrior upgraded eq in drachma shop at all, and where many other classos had eq drop in drachma value or had lots of awesome new items added (particularly thieves), items like the Jericho shield did not change in value, and the new 0.6ac robe replaces an old -0.6 robe. With the 3x40 items, the Warrior staple of the Adamantite Cuirass did not change at all, nor did the Tower Shield. hrmm. The -0.9 Mithril Sleeves are nice, but again, they have +mana so kinda generic, although I guess they're supposed to be. Would be nice to see some added AC somewhere - since we were given the impression that with the -11cap removed there would be eq added for Warriors to actually make use of the cap removal.. Probably gonna get cr@p for whining, but it's been a while, and I know not to hold my breath anyway.

[13]

need more weapondmg shit

[blackmore]

My understanding is that all effects have been "rated", so they should be able to come up with an equivalent rating for all available stats.

As to drachma shop and 3x40 changes, there's lots of eq out there, and lots of eq I wish was out there but isn't. The cuirass didn't need upgraded - it was clearly better than just about any other item on the list. The reason 3x40 eq needed upgraded was because so many non-tanks would get a cuirass due to lack of better options. I could pick about 6 classes and whine about the eq available to them (I know nothing about Dr or Ne eq), but the idea is to get the eq that serves you the best based on what's there.

[Tap]

I concur however, more class specific upgrades/changes would have served better useage. Still don't see many people not going with cuirass as 1st choice and/dagger for thievery. Kinda pointless still when you only have 1 choice to decide what piece of eq you'd like to add to your arsenal.I can applaud the change but hopefully the tinkering will continue over next few weeks and not another 5 years.

[Weasel]

Ok whatever. Would love to see clasps available as a choice (in both drachma eq and/or 3x40 eq items), with attributes that can be selected in a similar fashion as buying attributes from the Lyme Mayor. Actually I thought this was being looked at some time ago (being able to chose custom eq stats), so I wonder what happened to that idea..

[Weasel]

BTW, I'm grateful for the changes that have already taken place, just suggesting some tweaking / additions.

[Tap]

I couldn't agree with Weasel any less. Clasps additions would be fantastic.

[13]

anyone who has used the dagger knows its total horseshit because the proc negates attack dmg in a stab

the only reason to use it is for str or as 3x40's first choice when he cant use a bolt

[blackmore]

[quote="Weasel":25exbyp7]Ok whatever. Would love to see clasps available as a choice (in both drachma eq and/or 3x40 eq items), with attributes that can be selected in a similar fashion as buying attributes from the Lyme Mayor. Actually I thought this was being looked at some time ago (being able to chose custom eq stats), so I wonder what happened to that idea..[/quote:25exbyp7]

I had said when I heard 3x40 items were being upgraded that it'd be cool to make them all clasps that could be attached anywhere, to free up more options. If I were an immort, though, I'd beat down any immort that made a change that would involve reworking all 3x40 eq that's out there, so I didn't really expect it to happen.

[Rynquald]

So tempting to use the dagger now it hits harder than a bolt, pity about the gamble on the anti-proc.

[Autolycos]

[quote="13":2161pcbc]anyone who has used the dagger knows its total horseshit because the proc negates attack dmg in a stab

the only reason to use it is for str or as 3x40's first choice when he cant use a bolt[/quote:2161pcbc]

almost better to use a kitchin knife until you can weild a kris

[13]

Who said it hits harder than a bolt? It also doesn't have any +hit on it.

[Avatar]

This seems very related to the comments about 3x40 eq compared to high-end in-game eq. To me, it seems silly to have to give up this much when you choose a 3x40 item. You only get two 3x40 gear, there should be some substantial benefit to the items.

3x40 Dagger
* Damage proc, provides some extra damage during a fight

Black Kris
* Damn proc, with a high rate
* +1 average damage over 3x40
* +3 to hit over 3x40
* Proc does not reduce damage when you stab

I guess, for me, there's never a reason to pick the 3x40 dagger. A different pick might get you .2 AC and 25 hps over in-game gear, or some 35 mana, mana regen, 40 hps, etc etc etc.

[Autolycos]

for the levs 3x40 dagger is ok.. but that proc doesnt compare to the x2 normal applies of poison on the kris of power. sure the damn proc doesnt inflict any damage itself, but the proc firing off on mob prior to the stabs landing w/poison applies far exceed what the dagger can proc on its own.

non-prime thief.. sure. dagger is great.. but for primes.. you'll most likely trade as soon as you can weild a bolt.