Who cares?

[Weasel]

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[Tap]

If you can't be civil, at least control the profanity please.

[Weasel]

GFY.

[brady]

[quote="Tap":1zl6ricl]Monk's should get and do I believe better hp bonus/regen but they shouldnt be allowed -11 by any stretch. Same for other restrictions for other classes. The Imm's have given a very satisfactory explanation for the change and it seems best to adapt and move on. [/quote:1zl6ricl]

You're an idiot.

[Tap]

That's the best you can do? You, sir, lack credibilty. You choose to attack me instead of staying on topic. Fact is, you realise the change was correct and can't find a good argument against it. Flame me if you like, but I'm attempting to stay on topic.. if you wish to be immature, go right ahead.

[Weasel]

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[Corinn]

My sentiments exactly.

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[quote:20kxcr1b]
If you gave bards -11 then you would have to give thieves same.[/quote:20kxcr1b]

What's the basis for this argument, they both have steal ?

[12345]

[quote="Tap":2574xex8]That's the best you can do? You, sir, lack credibilty.[/quote:2574xex8]

That's the most ironic statement I've read in a while.

Let me tell you what you're doing wrong... For starters, you're flipping sides too often. When someone posts as a troll, you act like the reasonable one, when someone tries to be reasonable, you act like a troll. It's transparent and lame. You're level of schizophrenia is so extreme there's no possible way anyone can seriously buy into the illusion you're trying to create.

Your arguments lack intelligence. Often, you give the impression that you've never seriously played the game. I understand that the boards are entertaining and they let you type stuff here, but believe it or not, most the people here play the game too. It gives us a common factor to speak intelligently about. When you talk out of your ass its dreadfully obvious.

And, as has been pointed out, no one likes you. Not because its off topic, but because of the previous two paragraphs. You have nothing intelligible to offer and no reasonable method of presenting what incoherent thoughts you do have. Every time you post, someone gets a little dumber. Usually you.

So, to stay on topic... No one likes you, please go away.

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[quote:1h3i8m6h]You have nothing intelligible to offer and no reasonable method of presenting what incoherent thoughts you do have. Every time you post, someone gets a little dumber. Usually you. [/quote:1h3i8m6h]


yeah, pretty much

[Yinao]

[quote:133w1ebo]What's the basis for this argument, they both have steal ?[/quote:133w1ebo]

He lost steal now what?

I think Tap must be....Do I....I think....

I DO smell a...
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[Tap]

Warriors being mostly brawn and monks able to deflect/dodge attacks better, bards are more like their thief brethren. They manage to travel from town to town,bar fights etc etc by avoiding conflict at all cost. Sure, they most hold their own but bards are known to barter to avoid trouble when travelling and most bar fights are caused by a charming bard to draw attention from his/her co-horts who would pick the bar clean. I'm not going as far as calling bards 'fruity' but come on, bards have to rely on their wit to cause mayhem/dodge direct physical combat not their toughness to take damage.

[strider]

I really doesn't matter if you like tap and his views or not, the immortals did the right thing in not treating bards like non-prime warriors. there's no way that a bard should be allowed -11 over monks or even thieves. forget about any historical attributes bards may have had and just look at the way this game treats the classes. bards are just casters w/ some hps. they have more spells than necros or druids and their skilset looks like a thieves w/ astrology and spellcraft added in. they get mana every level in all classo slots except fourth. they are treated as casters in nearly every other aspect of sloth.

the main reason why bards are so vocal about their ac is because it's mostly the 3xcaster with bard thrown in who are making the noise. i know that's why i made mandos w/ bard. he'ld get hps and some fighting skills but still get mana and the ability to wear lots of ac eq. the bard is the best of both worlds class, except now they wanna show just the fighting half and claim they deserve ac. on the whole though bards are more caster than anything else.

now i know monks also get mana for the first two slots, for all 1.5 spells they have. look at their skillset though and it mirrors that of a warriors, and i still don't think monks should get the ac either.

say what you want about the changes. but the imms were decisive and have stood by it. i can respect that if nothing else. peace out.

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I have to say I pretty much totally disagree Heck. Thieves are a leather class and always have been, they are quickly in and out, as you well know. AC actually doesn't benefit them much at all compared to putting the dmg in the spots where ac goes. They don't have rescue, and there is _no_ prime thief "ac eq" in game. Monks are closely related, just ask splork. I lobbied for a long time for more ac for monks, shoulderguards..something. He said unequivocally that monks are not made to have good ac, hence the bamboo leggings. Bard's, however, come right out of the box with the 2nd most NC natural hps, the rescue skill, the protect skill, and their prime class autoquest item is tank EQ. Bards have 1.7 leggings. The only other class that has that is Warrior (we're leaving out the carbos since they aren't specifically class restricted other than avatar iirc). I realize that you don't have a Bard prime or a character with bard that would be counting on -11 and taking hits for people as a 'job' so this may not be as personal to you as it is to me. Blackula is the first of his kind, the all new_class tank. Bard Monk Druid Necro. I have hps, some dmg reduction, fluidity, counter, ogham's and used to be ac. I was going to have a hard enough time trying to open people's eyes and have them try something different, not it's impossible and I just had a 3x40 restroactively wasted for me. I would like an imm's response to this please, if possible. Ex post facto nerfs like this are the single most frustrating aspect of this game.

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Also, steal is no longer ingame and Bards roll dex first. Please tell me how dex affects anything other than armor class for them.