Who cares?

[Weasel]

[quote="Alberich":pmxcepjb]laugh how long have you been waiting to post that Weasel? [/quote:pmxcepjb]

hehe.. years. *poke*.

..gawd, that was really satisfying too.

[Weasel]

[quote="Tap":3v7jk7il]Warriors have it sweet now!!

Next topic:
When will psteal be back full-time?[/quote:3v7jk7il]

heh. thucking fiefs.

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Bard primes..

[12345]

[quote="Avatar":1j75q6x9]It sounds like the +hit for stabs change also reduced the amount that songs boost the stab rate?[/quote:1j75q6x9]

Actually, this is the concept that I built Deathsong on. With Brothers in Valor your miss rate for stabs was effectively reduced to a flat 5% chance. ie. You only missed if you rolled a 1 in 20 to hit.

[Weasel]

Question for the coders:
It seems heavy armor proficiency is learned to a max of 95%, does that mean my AC will drop 5% of the time or what? shouldn't it be 100% like oaths, or is this a nerf to warriors as well?

[Akasha]

No, you have it you have it. At 50% you may lose some, or not be able to max out, but at 95% it doesnt fail

Aka

[Weasel]

great thanks for the clarification.

[brady]

In one breath, Weasel, you say if you don't like it then suck it up and start anew. In the next breath, you say that you've invested too much time and energy to start fresh. I think you've been at the rat poison, my friend.

I understand the change. It makes total sense that non-warrior primes shouldn't be able to achieve -12 or greater. I think it makes sense that 4x casters are capped at -10. I think the manual idea is a little silly, but whatever. I just think bards should be able to read the book and if they actually do achieve -12, it should be useless.

[Weasel]

[quote="brady":3lk3rwqu]In one breath, Weasel, you say if you don't like it then suck it up and start anew. In the next breath, you say that you've invested too much time and energy to start fresh. I think you've been at the rat poison, my friend.[/quote:3lk3rwqu]

I strive to confuzzle.

btw, I wasn't breathing at the time. Could you tell?

[strider]

While i appreciate the response i'll have to disagree that there is a lot of useable +hit eq for a thief. there's all of 4 slots where +hit is available that isn't occupied by dmg, and if you have monk and wear hand dmg eq it drops down to 2, a ring and a helm. and the helm can't even be worn by a thief, warrior and mage restricts so that leaves us a ring to wear w/ 2hit and no ac. thieves already sacrafice a lot of ac and other bonuses to run w/ their dmg, as well they should, that's the whole risk/reward of bein a thief. the problem lies in the fact that some other classes have an abundance of eq that doesn't require them to give up ac. no risk, still big reward. i deleted the rest of the post cause i don't wanna rag on any other classes, at least not on the crier!

again, i like the change, i just wish there was some eq for us to fall back on in order to be able to put the change to use and i look forward to seeing what builders are able to come up w/, i always love seein new eq! in the meantime i'll just get use to stabbin like autolycos. it'll save me a ton of money on all the poison i'm not using up by actually hitting a stab!

and to 12345 about missing w/ bros up, a thief w/ valor up hits about 90% of their stabs. i tracked vaire from the time he got valor to present and he's right at 90%. a thief prime w/out it stabs at an 80% rate, that's offa deju's tracker. vaire's sample is offa about 40k stabs so it's a fairly accurate number.

peace out

[strider]

Opps, sorry, i forgot that i could also wear a neck item for 1 more hit.

[Vixn]

Chance of w-formed person to get hit depends on AC (as I know). So probably it would be redesigned.

Piazza has naturally -11AC and you can get one more AC point by shiftable eq. So I just wonder why th/ba/mo/cl would have worse AC then ne/dr/cl/ma??? 3x non-caster has AC worse then 4x caster.

2Krom: thanks for your help. I really appreciate you listen to all of us.
But I don't want to start again. Probably Kida will be just my storage char for crying 'Luck of the seven drunk gawdz' (at least I don't need AC for this and untill something wouldn't changed to interesting me to play this char again).

Kida

[Rynquald]

On the plus side for the changes to stabs/valor, all the thieves that put bard in for valor can just switch to gods and start stabbing at 30-35 or so dam, on mobs that don't splork outright the extra damage will probably make up for at least some of the whiffs.

Of course gods is pretty expensive to sing constantly on a thief, but it could be worse.

[Tap]

You bastards!

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Gods didn't make any difference whatsoever when I stabbed Nab in ET.