This Mud

[Aeolus]

I've always enjoyed the generally positive social atmosphere of this MUD. Most people are very helpful. The MUD seemst to be designed for people to work together. Group xp and teaching spells are a couple examples. I think this review sums it up:

"Frankly the atmosphere of this MUD is what hooked me in the first place. Within five minutes of having logged on, I was poked at, licked, patted and offered help." - TMC Reviewer Ingrid Vertow

Pthieving is selfish and contrary to the amiable atmosphere on Sloth.

[Autolycos]

well said.

[13]

So don't be a thief, and keep stuff in your robe.

[Medios]

I wonder who used to play Myelophilistic?

*snicker*

Mike

I know way too much, ill shut up now.

[Poolp]

Guess which I voted for!!!1111oneoneone

For those of you who don't know me, I'm Poolp. I'm the 'retard' as most of you would call me, responsible for a lot of lost items, gold, and of course players. Hey, most of you were pretty happy when Auriana got wiped anyway, if anything I should be getting thanks. Nevermind, irrelevant. Oh and if you guys are at least a little curious, I've made 200 mil off pthieving so far according to my log (yes I have one ), using a huge range of characters. Poolp and Sorabji were the most prominent ones I guess.

Seeing as how so many people have come to talk about pthieving, here's pthieving, from a pthief's point of view.

First of all let me state the things that have been said but are however untrue. I know most of you wouldn't believe what I say, but what the heck, here goes. I did not make new characters to steal from people, and I have no idea why Malison claimed he got a brooch off me. I made new characters to gossip and taunt people. But well I gotta stop doing that, seeing as how Krom locked my character for doing that. There goes 50% of the fun in pthieving Another thing, I am not the same person as Hades.

Now here's my opinion on pthieving. Yes, I am very, very well aware that I am a pain in the ass. I have been pthieved from myself, and it sucks. It makes you feel like you've wasted a whole bunch of your time. But what I feel is, that if the MUD has been made that way, why don't you live with it? When I got slightly bored of this game, I began to pthief to play a different part of the game. A part of the game A LOT of you don't know about. Stalking people, waiting for them to change gear, escaping pthief hunters. Real ones like Zera, not crappy ones like Yinao or Auriana who claim they are the best but all they know how to do is vision me and whine on gossip about how they can't find me. It's really fun. Definitely more fun than doing all that grinding for exp/eq stuff that you would be doing otherwise.

Actually, a lot of you might not know that a whole lot of my characters have been pwiped and locked, and I don't understand why you guys are still complaining. I have been locked for casting sleep on a newbie to steal from him. I have been wiped for multiplaying (which I definitely did not do because I wasn't stupid enough to when all the immorts were practically studying my logs at the time). I have been locked for casting charm person. I have been locked for STEALING FROM AN IMMORT'S CHARACTER. And now recently, I have been locked for apparently taunting the people on gossip.

Quite frankly, I'm furious. I'm pissed off that so many of these things are not listed in the rules, yet I get banned for them. But that is something I have accepted when I became a pthief. I know that the whole MUD is against me. I know that immorts will find every possible reason there is to pwipe/lock me. But I continue. Why? Because I've accepted this as a part of the MUD, and carried on.

Why can't you?

I play a main as well, I've been playing a main under all your noses for so long that I practically know what you guys keep in your containers in your inventories. All your golden sacks with crazy items in them, what all your restring items are so I can grab them and who has a slow eq switch that I can abuse it.

And because I play a main, I know what it's like to be stolen from as well. And how easy it is to avoid pthieves. But I carry on, because I know this is part of the MUD.

I know you guys hate me for giving you this lecture or whatever it is but don't you think I make at least a little bit of sense?

Another thing is, the reason I come back only after certain periods of time is because when I've pthieved for too long, people tend to get too cautious. I remember pthieving for 4 months in a row and that really got people keeping their items safe. But when I come back for a 20 second visit a year later, I can grab thunderbolts, invaluable keychains and fat containers from the Treasures and Dreams Square. If you guys really kept all your items safe, quite frankly I would quit because it would be to oboring. Yes, that's a challenge to you guys. If you can all keep your items safe for a long period of time I might actually give all this up.

Whatever it is, I'm terribly sorry for inflicting this kind of crap on the MUD but this is part of the game. I'm not going to stop. If my characters get wiped I'm going to create more and more of them. In fact I already have a few of them stored in VK right now. I will unleash them when the time is right. But you have my word. Just make it a habit to keep all your items safe and I'll get the hell out of here.

Cheers.

[Krok]

Guys, grow up. That's just Kindergarten bullshit. Every time someone gets stealed from, this stuff comes up. Deal with it and stfu. Brad, don't be ridiculous - you whine that you quit, then you come back, and my point is... that even pthieving won't stop you from playing the mud. That's it. :)

Move on, let's discuss something else.

[Jag]

I hate pthieves and it spoils the game for me. I will log off if I know a Pthief is playing. Quit playing altogether? No, I'm in for the long haul.

I vote daily and usually feel good about bragging that this is the best Mud around. While all this crap is happening, I can't even recommend that players give us a try. That is just sad.

The atmosphere and community here has more to do with making this the best mud then any area or tricky mob.

This biggest thing ever pthieved on this mud is a friendly and helpful playing environment.

[13]

I read this because it said 'biggest ptheft' and I think I win the prize a couple times over. But if we're not whipping out stories of who got what then I won't bother. Suffice to say I got so much quest eq off of one guy that Wilde froze me and took the eq and gave it back with his Imm and then Nia wiped/remade/passworded my little pth. Oh well. Maybe another time.

[Weasel]

Krok - there's an overwhelming number of players against pthieving, and they are making that very clear here. You come along with this, "grow up, stfu, deal with it, move on" bullsh*t .. well YOU stfu - just because YOU think pthieving is ok doesn't mean everyone else should do what you say (heck, you don't even play a char anymore barely). Pull your head out of your ass for five minutes - if you think pthieving is a good thing then fine, you are free to say so, but don't go abusing everyone else just because they don't agree with you. That level of arrogance is just ugly.

Poolp - from your comments, it is clear you have a lot of fun pissing people off and driving them away from sloth - your defense is that 'it's a part of the game, so move on' and basically that you don't care that it hurts other players/sloth, you are only interested in your self gratification. Although it is in a sense true that it is just part of the game, you also need to consider a few other aspects of sloth - it is very clear that the immorts in control fully intend sloth to be a group oriented mud. Your attitude is that you are here only to serve yourself at the expense of everyone else - and the fact that it is at everyone else's expense is where most of us have an issue - this attitude of yours appears to be the antithesis of what the immorts are supposedly wanting to encourage, ergo pthieving should be removed altogether.

One suggestion I liked that someone made is that characters have an option to set a flag of whether they want to play as a pthievable character or not, then pthieves can run around pthieving but only succeed off those who want to be victims, and hey Krok, since you think pthieving is a good idea, you can set your flag so pthieves can take your eq. Poolp you can do the same with your non-thieving alt(s). That should at least make it challenging for the pthieves, although why the hell anyone would want to be a victim of pthieving is beyond me.. better ask Krok about that one.

[Krok]

Dear Weasel,
why do you think that if YOU think pthieves are bad, others should do what YOU say then? :) I don't see how it's logical, and I don't offend anyone personally, so there's no need to tell me to get my head out of my ass. If you think that I am ignorant only because I'm in the minority... well... that sure does sound more like a Russian attitude. :P
My point is: starting such threads over and over is as useless as discussing rains, or snow. It's just how the mud is.



Btw, afair best players of our mud never bitched about pthieving. Let's try to be a little more like them! :)

[Weasel]

I didn't tell anyone to do what I said, other than reacting to you by taking offense at being told to grow up, deal with it, stfu and move on by you. No, being in a minority doesn't make a person ignorant at all - I believe I said telling everyone else where to go despite the majority of players being against pthieving is arrogant, not ignorant - there's a difference.

Again, you are totally entitled to your opinion about pthieving, and if you had a convincing argument other than telling everyone else to stfu and grow up etc, then I might even change my attitude about pthieveing (unlikely though), but stomping in and just telling everyone else they should stfu etc because you don't agree with them is just asking for confrontation, and you got it.

I (and other here) have given reasons for our opinions of pthieving, and how I believe it has and continues to harm the mud, so perhaps you can provide some justification for your position on being pro-pthieving, rather than just abusing everyone else that doesn't agree with you.

Understand why I considered your original post was arrogant now?

[Alberich]

I don't really have an opinion on this - it's been proven time and time again that regardless of opinions, it doesn't really matter what the majority of players think - fortunately, the mud is not a democracy, and I really do think that's for the best.

I will say, that aside from Poolp, I've seen no "pro-pthieving" posts. Being anti-whining (or anti-perceived-whining, if you prefer) is not the same as being pro-pthief.

[13]

I think it's no secret that I am pro-pthief.

[Krok]

Dear Weasel,
well, I just thought that we all discussed it a lot in-game and on the criers, that's why I didn't mention my arguments.
I'm even sorry for swearing, I've had a terrible night working, and when I logged to see what's new, I thought that it was really getting old. I still think that paying that much attention to stolen items is childish.

My thoughts on the topic:

1. Our mud is like a greenhouse. No extreme at all, the worst that can happen to you is being looted before the crash. We have to admit that it's a rare occasion because of the stability of the mud. Good job, imms :) So, pthieves add some spice/fun to the game, imo.

2. Leading is allowed. Grouping is allowed. Pthieving is allowed. Pthieving itself isn't against the rules. (Ofc, I don't support multiplaying etc).

3. If you play a lot, and have an item stolen - you can get it back.

4. If you don't play much and badly regret an item stolen - this game isn't suited for those who play rarely, and it was stated by imms afair.

5. A lot of people enjoy pthief-hunting.

6. I know it hurts when you lose a hard forge. (I don't consider JJD a hard forge, but for some it is). But if you spend more than five minutes crying over your eq in Sloth, you should get a life. Spring just came, go ride your bike, walk around the town, read a good book and come back to play when you calm down.

7. I didn't say I love pthieves or something like that. (I don't like the question in the voting either). I just dislike whining when it can't change anything about the game mechanics.

8. Weas, I'm glad that you noticed that I don't play. :P I'll come back as soon as I get my PC transferred to my new apt.

9. Alb, I love ya :)

[Hades]

I will acknowledge that Poolp and I are in fact, not the same person. Neither am I Fyrstenheart, Harlot,Stabber,Weasel,any of Brad's characters,Splork,Rub and/or Jake.
Glad I could clear things up.