A point I have long tried to explain.

[Medios]

Empowering people is the best way to run a free society.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/ ... guest.html

That's a long discussion for which I don't have time before the break here. But let me just explain to you in a nutshell, as best I can, in a broad sense the difference in the two. Let's accept some givens, that all people -- and I'm going to be very charitable here, because in some cases what I'm going to say is not applicable to some liberals, but just for the general discussion here, we all -- want economic prosperity. We all want opportunity. We all want a chance at the American dream. We all want to be left alone. We don't want to be hassled. We don't want to have obstacles placed in our way by government in the pursuit of our dreams. The question and the argument that we have in this country is how best to provide it. That's where the line of demarcation is broad, because on the left, liberals do not believe that a majority of people have the ability to realize the American dream on their own. Liberals have general contempt for the average American and average human being. Liberals have a condescending contempt for the abilities, the intelligence, the ambition, and desire of average human beings.
They must hold that view in order to be liberal, because liberalism is assuming people are helpless and hopeless and then growing government and all kinds of state power structures to "assist" people in their incompetence, and in the process you actually make your philosophy a self-fulfilling prediction. You disable the competitive nature; you disable the entrepreneurial spirit; you disable the American dream; and you force people to focus on government and whatever benefits they can get as a means of getting by. Conservatives have the ultimate faith in the individual. Conservatives believe that the individual, rugged individualism is what defines excellence and its pursuit is what made this country what it is. We believe that people can be better than they even know themselves or think themselves capable of being. We want to do everything we can to educate and inspire and motivate people along those lines. We want a great country! We want people who are individually able to raise families, to support them, to inspire them because they themselves are that way.

We want optimistic people of good cheer who have a hope that is realistic: that they can triumph over the obstacles that all of life throws at us. Liberals think those obstacles are insurmountable because they must. Now, that's the basic difference. So, okay: how come some people are not conservative and some are? Well, you have to get to specific issues like abortion and gay marriage and this sort of thing, and that would be one way of doing it. But any Republican who is oriented toward growth of government, the growth of the state, and the idea that people need infinite amount of help because they're incapable of doing things on their own, doesn't qualify as a conservative to me -- and there are plenty of those. There are liberal Republicans all over the place. It's not hard to make these distinctions or to draw up these definitions.

By the same token, this is one of the big problems we face: the liberals, in their pursuit of this agenda, use government. They train their youth. They train their college students. They get them into "nonprofits." They get them into Harvard and Yale for the express purpose of going into government, being a bureaucrat forever, growing government, and controlling it and taking over. Republican conservatives look at government as something that ought to be out of the way and invisible most of the time. So we don't target our people to go there because when you go there you want to use it to enact your philosophy. Conservatism does not use government to enact what it believes. It uses individuals. It empowers individuals. Conservatism wants to limit government -- and often going to government to limit it is not an attractive option for young people, but it is for the left. So it's challenge.

[Weasel]

translation: power to the people.

[Medios]

What is sad is that Republicans are increasing the government in the same manner as Democrats. The parties fight against each other and we lose in the long run. New laws restrict freedoms. Fear is a tool. Do not underestimate the power of fear. I wont teach my kids fear. I use every opportunity to teach Kaitlin new things. She killed a spider the other day and came and showed it to me. Shes 7. I know grown men that wont kill spiders.

Fear is the mind killer.

Mike

[Autolycos]

I KNEW IT!!!!


Kaitlin is the QUIZAT SATARAK!

all hail the Arakeen Priestess!!!

[*juggleblood*]

Spiders are beneficial. You should get her to kill Rush Limbaugh instead.

[brady]

So what you endorse is a society of natural selection? I wouldn't say that liberals have a contempt for the common man. I would say (and the notion isn't a popular one) that society needs to be protected from itself. You can decide which idea is more evolved.

[Medios]

I never said to let people die. It is the responsibility of the community not the govt to educate. I endorse government staying the hell out of my life. I endorse people teaching kids to take responsibility for actions. I endorse teaching people to overcome fear and live life to the fullest.

I do not endorse allowing children to do whatever the hell they want. Kids do not need to be "sheltered", thats how we end up with all these whiny pussy types. I do not endorse doing everything for someone. People need to learn to take care of themselves before they worry about me. This includes the govt. I cannot think of a govt program that is run correctly. Most of the tax money is funneled off into someones pockets, or into a salary for someone who does less work in a week than I have to do in one day. Not to mention taking 2 weeks sick leave and 2 weeks vacation. Private business does not work this way, competition makes for a thriving market. Sure some people cant cut it, but this is life.

Catch a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a life time. Its a pretty straight forward idea. Politicians want you to think that you need them. This is nonsense, they need us. We pay the taxes that allow them to fly in first class and eat filet.

Lets use the example of Shyla teaching all these spells on sloth. Most of you newer players never had to learn these areas because Deb has done all the legwork. Now we have the worst case of lyme n00bs that I have ever seen. There is a reason that Atwell, Rynquald, Autolycos, etc do most of the cf and crs. Its because these are the only people who actually know the mud. Sure some of you know the elemental school or dragon mount but its no comparison. Maybe if you had actually had to kill something on your own and not join these big sponge xp groups and level to trip40 without ever reading a room descript.

If someone on sloth asks me about killing something I usually take them to the mob, show them whats up, and then go somewhere else and leave them to kill. Im not here to hold your hand, but I will help anyone who shows that they will at least try. This method of empowerment is what im talking about. Im on a mission to teach people to take care of themselves. I want to see more people "trying".

Mike

[Hades]

I'll bite my tongue on this one and let you off the hook.
Consider yourself lucky.

[13]

....

[brady]

Okay, well next time you die, icq Auto, Rynq or Atwell. I'll be fumbling in my drool bucket looking for my bus token

[Weasel]

steal bus-token brady

[resouh]

*Laughs*

I'm sorry but I gotta give a different opinion on the whole liberal vs. conservative speech.

I consider myself liberal and I do have contempt in my heart. Not towards the individual, but towards society. Like someone said...somewhere...sometime.....(loosely quoted) 'A person is a smart, caring, thoughtful individual. People on the other hand are stupid, bigoted, and selfish.' I don't believe in sheltering a person, but I don't believe in sheltering someones wallet either. I wish I could say that a vast majority of americans would step up and do what needed to be done of their own volition.....but I can't. In fact I would have to be pretty friggin drunk to consider that possible. Hence the need for government, to herd the sheep in the right direction. I love the fact that america has things like free public education, social security (however jacked up it is), an army made up of individuals who chose to fight for their country. I'm willing to pay to keep those things, and keep paying.

Intermission.........

I would like to take this moment to thank every one, especially the conservatives who have been forced against their will, who parted w/ their share of taxes to keep our country running.......I really do appreciate it. *hugs*

ACT II

[quote:3sy2o63k]this is one of the big problems we face: the liberals, in their pursuit of this agenda, use government. They train their youth.[/quote:3sy2o63k]

I am greatly distressed that the 'Secret Liberal Organization of Training Heirs' has been uncovered and I promise to stop stealing babies to raise them as liberals to be placed as moles in the conservative party:)

I'm off to bed and hope some of this makes sense....I'm tired enough I could have just been pounding my head on the keyboard for the last 10 min. And hope I got this on the right thread:) Nite all

P.S. Don't take me too seriously, Politics are meant to be fun. Look at the clowns we have in office now.

Resouh

[Marchessa_red_witch]

I'm here to get medieval on some mobs.

[Hades]

God does not like pork at all. Not to eat. Not to farm with. So why did pigs even come to be?

Oh yeah, those guards on auction block are wayyyy to low.. I think a price spike is in order.

waves

[Hades]

Especially when some twit will wait till the last 3-5 minutes before closing to close the deal while the rest of us interested are at work.

There, that should do it