Totally confuzled

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I'm a fan of warrior I guess. 3x attack (quad at avatar) and critical hits are a nice combination.

Looks like a good classo for having lots of pets.

[Malison]

being cleric you'll probably be using dark mace a lot of the time, which would say be warrior

aside from attacks, warrior would give you gut, nice but very move consuming and not really good for solo, broadside (from personal experience not as good as strike), and the nice bloodrage stomp and toss.

but playing Verin [ cl dr mo ba], it's been really great to have monk. you flurry holds even with triple attack (at least until quad attack), counterattack is amazing in barehand combat and doesn't remove an attack, and presage lets you leave and come back to combat if a spell falls or whatnot without giving them an extra hit. and don't forget deathgrip would give you an opening move aside from hit $targ

I have to say I'm partial to monk, as it's got similar fighting ability to warrior and it has sweet skills besides

[Zukt]

Deathblow not good for solo? Are you serious?

Playing Zukt is interesting because he does more damage with the sword if he is lagged, casting, etc, and more damage with striking otherwise. He allways wields the sword when ordering, and removes it to strike and flurry if he doesnt have to do anything but chop.

But he allways wields for the deathblow, especially on permalit mobs. And its fun too.

[Medios]

C'mon Zukt, you cant possibly know what your talking about. I mean you don't even have cleric!

Mike

[Ah_Puch]

You throw a fireball at a Red Sash and are disappointed at seeing him easily evade your spell.


yep

[Hades]

That made no sense whatsoever.

Idiot

[firebrand]

[quote="alias":1apwcb17]I love my classo but I am envious of Wraithform in the desert. my charms dont last long enough to make it worth tanking there. Used 6 in about an hour. Pets would be nice to solo but I love mage spells. Maybe Im not the best tank out there (Im sure of that) but a lot of the ac stuff is still coded War And Th so if u dont have both you cant get it at a lower level. took me to 3x40.38 to get -11 ironed but being this is my first serious char here I dont feel too bad. Someone w/ wraith go tank desert ill come back ya up.


The Envious tank.

Alias


oh and even at say -12 or -13 I dont see how I will do as well as getting 75% of the hits passing through me. Wraith just rocks there.[/quote:1apwcb17]

errrrmmmmm i don't use charms or pets....sometimes i will use coconuts to get fluidity and spec shield and a couple other nice gifts and it doesn't cost me mana or use up charms. i don't have dmg reduc, nor wraithform and have successfully tanked desert MANY times. if you have a well organized group and healo, a lit warrior tank can handle just about anything not quest or epic that the group comes to. i don't know how many times firebrand has been tanking in a group, lite fell, no one noticed and due to a kickass healo, tank as well as group lived to move on to next fight. fb is oldskewl wa/ma/th/cl and yeah she dies frequently, but i blame that on the player, not the group or her lack of newclass buffs and perks. not having those perks does not make firebrand any less of a good tank and severely pisses me off that someone will tell me "let this newbie tank because he has dmg reduc and wraithform" that is insulting as all hell. i don't mind letting a newbie tank get point bonus exps so that he/she has an opportunity to get xps faster, but don't tell me that fb is less qualified without those skills and spells. (yes i am aiming this at bit who will NOT share point bonus exps....leader bonus OR point bonus. you cannot get both so as leader, yer automatically out on the point bonus...quit being a jerk and let someone else get the point bonus) seriously guys, she doesn't run around with pets, rarely gets to use her rabbit due to keeping her align in the negs and stuff. yes, i have her at -11 ac and plan on sacrificing some mana and hps for better ac. it's not all about what only the char can do. sloth is designed to be a group mud. yeah, there are some things we can solo and i love having solo time just for a change. but not one char can "have it all". we (imms) don't want it that way. we want players to make different classos, experiment and HAVE FUN. we want people to join clans, make friends, get into groups. we have things -hopefully- spread out across the classes so that people will come together in groups to use the different combos of skills, spells, songs, eq and player know-how to get things done. yes, warriors should get the best ac...they're tanks and designed for it. i sorely disagree that casters should be able to get higher than say -9 or -10 max. yer a caster. let the tank get hit. that's his job. if you want to play high (low) ac, make a freaking tank char and play it up. we need casters and blasters to be in high mana to blast and heal and stuff, not 2.tank. and do NOT start listing chars that have been caster tanks - a couple come to mind, but again that is the skill of the player not the perks of the classes.

"girls talk too much!"--peter pan

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Yer right, Reb. It's mostly the player.

[firebrand]

holy shit! auto agreed with me!

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAFF AT U!!!!!!!!"--toxis

[Medios]

While I will agree that it is mostly the player. To say that Firebrand is as good of a tank as Toxis is just clearly ignorant. Just because there is a good healo to keep you alive does not mean that someone else does not take the hits better. When a tank can cast wraithform and have half the round pass through, the clerics can blast or use the mana in better ways. C'mon Reb wake up and make a new char or stop bringing this up. Old school warriors < new school ones.

Mike

[Autolycos]

[quote="firebrand":25gaw5cg]holy shit! auto agreed with me! [/quote:25gaw5cg]

WTF????!!!

Reb you need to smoke more!. that was Aaron that said that.. not me..

I think you are a krappy tank



i hate to say it.. but brad is doin pretty good

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I actually typed up a huge reply to FB but you know what? I don't care. I don't care about leader bonus, I don't care about point bonus. Folks running on Lyme don't get either one, so what's the big deal?

Quite frankly, I'm not running the group for you. Nine times out of ten, I'm following the path of least resistance. I got enough people joining and leaving that I don't want to mess around with having the healo healing the wrong tank because there was a switch, relying on tanks to have aegis up and down triggers, whiners, and all the other junk that goes with it.

Bit has everything needed, his name is easy to type, and frankly, it makes it easier for me to lead because I have first person view on the status of the battle. Silly me, I like to lead in a way that I find most comfortable.

If you have issue with it, feel free not to join. Or better yet, show everyone that you're a better leader and lead how YOU want. Mike does it on a regular basis, its not too hard.

[brady]

Tanking is fun

[firebrand]

blow me bit. i rarely to never join your groups because you won't let anyone else tank...i don't f u c k i n g care if it is not me! i don't care that you're "not running the group for me". DUH. i know you're not because i did not ask for your leadership to help me pop eq/xp. you lead because you feel like it. good for you. you as a leader can EASILY see wtf is going on in your group if you simply use the ingame gag fight command. all you see is what you, the tank and the mob are doing, with once in a while another char's actions showing up in the spam. that is pretty front seat and damned simple! and i see you mostly leading OFFlyme, a s s h o l e, which is why i brought up the point about the point bonus xps. as for ppl leaving/joining frequently, have you ever thought that they DON'T like your tankleading style? i would not have mentioned it if i have not had several other people comment to me about not wanting to group with you because you would not let THEM tank either! and i am not going to mention names because my memory is shitty at best. most of the time, people will either ask "who is tank" or will type group, see (Point) off to the left of playername in the group and think "heal this name", and maybe also have a variable for $tank and have alias ht for heal $tank. too f u c k i n g simple, imho. as i mentioned in previous post about "well organized group", there are players who will either (a) use the "watch" command that works with spellcraft to see the tank's lite about to fall, (b) the tank will have a trigger that gtells "lite falling/lite down" in whatever spammy way the player wants to write it, (c) will use the group command to see if the tank's hps actually are what the whiner is currently showing for JUST IN CASE the whiner is lagged for whatever reason (tank using actions that lag their char and/or client [bash/rescue/fill-in-the-blank] or tank having stacked/spammed commands that get in the way of whiner being able to accurately report) or (d) the healo/dsancer will see the tank start to take far more damage than before, type look, see tank not glowing and flee/lite/wall tank. granted, there are players who are simply new to doing these things, which is why there are differences in the way groups flow and yes, there are always going to be groups that have a cf for whatever reason and not simply because someone has not yet learned that you can type "heal autol" and know it will heal autolycos instead of worrying about whether or not they can spell out mile-long names. even so, i don't know of anyone who does NOT typo even simple words like 'em' when trying to type 'me' every once in a while. we are HUMAN and are allowed to err, so get over that point too. grouping is only as hard or as simple as you want to make it, dude. i am just trying to help other tanks get some f u c k i n g hands-on experience instead of watching you be a jack-of-all-trades. if you want to "do it all" then solo

"why couldn't you put the bunny back in the box?"--poe --> con air

p.s. auto and aa, sorry about the name mixup - i was too damned sober for my own preference but oh well. and yeah, toxis IS doing a pretty damn good job...go figure. he's WA prime this time around

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Well, this is getting a little funny.

First

[quote:3050v7l0] and frankly, it makes it easier for me to lead because I have first person view on the status of the battle. [/quote:3050v7l0]

I agree, I always prefer to tank when I'm leading if it's feasible. That's why I ran more real groups with Mustang. Frankly I don't trust about 80% of the tanks on Sloth to do anything other than shadow keep and suck at that.

Second

Bit, you just got out of the BH castle, calm down.

Erm and an extra one

Reb shut the fu ck up about point/lead xp. It's nil. If you would grab a mage and 2 man on lyme you'll see just how gay grouping for xp is. Also
a pebble is > enchanted fishing pole. I hope you have 40 tard and your regen gear fixed by the time I return to Sloth.

<3
Aaron