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Postby 13 » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:32 pm

[quote:21tnns22]The problem here isn't sloth, its the choice I made up front, there are some classos that are better than others, there are some classos that suit some players better than they do others.[/quote:21tnns22]

If more people would admit shit like this it would go a long way.
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Postby *Splork* » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:34 pm

Great post Elsie.

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Postby *juggleblood* » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:57 pm

I don't see what all the hubub is about. Of course warriors should be tanks. But not all of us are gonna shoot for -12. I think it really just makes sense for the tank specialists like Toxis or Zukt. These guys with damage reduction and wraithform.

For me, I'm going for the +2 dam tard lite. I've decided that the Agemo/Lob/Gti/Rub classo is uber fun to play cuz you can tank a group, or run 2 man stab/blast with a mage. It was kinda hellacious before I got avatar tho. Killed a lot of boring mobs to get those last precious quad levels. But was definitely worth it.

I'm certainly not gonna hate on Zukt or Toxis or anyone for being a better tank than me. Variety is the spice of life. More power to the -12 er's!
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Postby alias » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:00 pm

I love my classo but I am envious of Wraithform in the desert. my charms dont last long enough to make it worth tanking there. Used 6 in about an hour. Pets would be nice to solo but I love mage spells. Maybe Im not the best tank out there (Im sure of that) but a lot of the ac stuff is still coded
War And Th so if u dont have both you cant get it at a lower level. took me to 3x40.38 to get -11 ironed but being this is my first serious char here I dont feel too bad. Someone w/ wraith go tank desert ill come back ya up.


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oh and even at say -12 or -13 I dont see how I will do as well as getting 75% of the hits passing through me. Wraith just rocks there.
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misunderstood warrior

Postby Talo/Ulrich » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:14 pm

it appears that my original post was completely misunderstood....most likely because of my lack of Poetic license.....

i was in NO way shape or form bitching about talo because quite frankly if i had it all to do over i would NOT CHANGE A THING......


I love being a warrior it rocks....is it as creamy as a thief ma or a necro prime that can summon all hell to come help you kill things....no....but i do say its really damned nice when you have NO real worries about dying if you properly prepare for a fight.... my point was that why is it that everyone bitches about every other classo but theirs.....

if you dont like it make a new one thats different and Man up and take responsibility for the choices you made and next time.... choose a classo thats more towards the aims and goals your interested in.....

dont cry to splork to nerf another character because lil johny or lil suzy got a toy you didnt get.....

ive been playin this mud for 10 years....we all have to play the style that our classo calls for....
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Gratz to Talo

Postby Hades » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:14 pm

Glad I could help 8)
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Postby Krok » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:48 pm

Can I have that "x.slother to normal language" dictionary again, please, 12345? :)
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Postby 12345 » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:59 pm

Marchessa, I was never trying to imply that warriors couldn't solo... Thanks for the heads up though...

Also, wraithform is not a prerequisite for a tank. It helps, of course, but it also creates a constant mana drain on your tank... 80 mana is more than sanctuary. How many tanks without aegis do you see that are responsible for keeping themselves lit and manage to run without running out of mana? Not many.

Like anything else, you have to how to keep it available, which means you need to know what to run, when and how. Much of the reason it works in the desert is because Mike knows how to use the blasting mobs to his advantage. Bit manages to tank much of the mud at -10 using just fluidity because as the leader, I'm balancing things to make it possible.

How you play is frequently more important than what you play, which is why you don't see many Zukt clones. He might be the best tank, but the way he plays made it possible.. not the classo.
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Postby Roadrunr » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:31 pm

BAh! -10, tons of mana, decent stab is good enough for me.

say...anyone wanna buy a newbie necro? (wait, already tried that).

FWIW, I could solo far more at 25 tard with rr than I can with ana but I think it's because I suck at playing mages. I think I can solo as fast with Xander as I can with Ana even...

anyway, unless I can find a way to -11 w/o losing 200 mana and a bunch of damage, I'll keep on running -10 (sadly, that means I never get to tank anymore since everyone knows you cant tank with an old school warrior at -10).

warrior's fine, just as long as you're not in it for quick XP all the time anyway.
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Heavy Tanks and Tanks

Postby Marchessa_red_witch » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:34 pm

My belief is that the new epic mobs are going to require the heavier armor classes that are being put in. But for mobs that require that kind of armor, there needs to be 2 or 3 other tanks behind to soak up splatter and help keep the tank alive with floated heals. While it may well be that tanking one of the epics will require a 12/12 tank (1200+ hps and -12 ac or better) there will still be plenty of need for 1k/-11 tanks on most of the mud.

Look at the xp groups being run most nights, they are off lyme to help the lowbie characters of established players, and nothing that most of the groups do requires more than the current standard for tanking.
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Postby 13 » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:00 am

Epic mobs just require smart, alert players. I bet DoW could take them down with Shival at -10.
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Postby Leaf » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:22 pm

More on the Alert and ppl with lots of mana for heal/blasting. But then u
have some of them that takes u away and kills u :P
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Postby Vixn » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:15 pm

[quote="13":34l8fcwz]Epic mobs just require smart, alert players. I bet DoW could take them down with Shival at -10.[/quote:34l8fcwz]

Tanks need hps and parry for epic/quest mobs.
Tanks need best ac for exp groups.
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AC etc

Postby Avatar » Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:31 pm

This was a good thread guys, lot of good points here.
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Postby Marchessa_red_witch » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:42 pm

this seems to be helping blast as much as warriors, because there are already a goodly number of mobs that have high ac, and this incrementally tilts towards blasting those mobs rather than trying to tank them down.
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