Armor Class...Class Armor

[brand]

i just wanted to get in on the "this is not such a good idea" bandwagon.

about the whole lowering ac to -12...-13...
maybe the idea has some heart but...
it would outdate alot of players...even those with new classo type...
maybe just throw in "dual wield" and call it a day...
and i was thinking maybe a discussion could be had on this before everyone has a -12 tank. or worse maybe if only 3-4 ppl ever get at all. this is sloth after all... move slower... sloth...

postscript: if i just imagined this whole thing...well then just ignore this!

[13]

[quote:4a6q0sq0]it would outdate alot of players...[/quote:4a6q0sq0]

Only the ones too lazy to upgrade their eq, or their stats THEN their eq. 12 is doable but 12 with crappy stats is not.

[alias]

Im sorry but unless new eq comes out I don't see how I will make -12.
I searched the list and best I can come up w/ is -11.8 (and this would be w/ a .4 tard light and forges Im not likely to do.)


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[Autolycos]

i'm sorry to have to repeat this again.. but...

brand... wtf?

there are improvements being made constantly and eq's prob to shortly follow. since there was no diff between -10 and higher.. there would be no reason to worry about it.. and -11 for most was a stretch.

we dont know what kind of eq's or changes are still to come..

the only people that will be outdated / obsolete are those who give up or never try..

suck it up and run with the pack, or lay down, roll over and die out of the way..

progress keeps a rollin!

[Avatar]

AC is cool, especially if new eq comes around with warrior-only restricts.

Even without new eq, I figure an old-class tank can get to -12 AC without any forges. If you want to forge the feathered cincture, you can even get by with just the Cuirass and still have one 3x40 piece available.

[Autolycos]

i agree..

even though i hate to say this.. but maybe like the sword of valor.. there should ba a wa prime only eq/quest to get that super nice fancy type like maybe a -0.8 neck (non-shoulder) item or nifty -0.8 low item

[brand]

-11 a stretch i don't think most would agree with that.

buy crazy good eq that gets you to -12 or -13... really... for real?
who's the first to pony up a +2 dam light for a .4 ac light?
i was saying if -12 is the new low ac, why not just keep it at -11 give a warrior dual wield and let them get -11 without a shield.

and wtf is a wtf about i'm not bashing all the new additions you know what i think of the new stuff it's mostly great.
but this i think is rushed and not on par with the current additions to the game.

and then there is the option of mobs having -13 -14 ac.

bleh i need a drink.

again i'm just voting no... after the election no less, so whats it matter...

[Avatar]

Mobs likely already had -11, -12, -13 AC. It was probably bugged in the same ways that -11 for characters was. Still, you can see some mobs have at least -11 AC by the miss messages.

Your slice bounces off a mountain lion's thick hide.

At least now you can add +hit eq until those messages disappear for you, then you know you can hit them reliably.

-12 would be very hard right now, but there are a couple of people running around with .4 ac Tard lights.

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[quote:3g0fwu7u]who's the first to pony up a +2 dam light for a .4 ac light? [/quote:3g0fwu7u]

Strider.

next:

Toxis.

[12345]

This will ultimately just serve as another way to tell the good tanks from the pros. If you want to create a tank, you'll have to sacrifice quite a bit to get the AC you'll need.

[13]

Just some hp really. And folks will have to not settle for shitty stats too.

[Qa]

[quote="12345":1r0c631t]This will ultimately just serve as another way to tell the good tanks from the pros.[/quote:1r0c631t]

pros ==> Spending >40 hrs/wk on sloth

I was never a pro. I thought this was a more laid back mud than that.

Look, ever since parry went in, a non Wa prime is not a "good" tank. (Bull, I say.) Sorry if I wax reminiscient when a Cl or Ma prime could get -10 and 900 hp and tank away for a large group. I remember quite a few groups tanked by an NC back in the day.

This is just another step down the path of guaranteeing that none but Wa prime will ever tank in a medium to xx-large group.

Is that a good thing? Is that progress?

I think not.

Qa

[Kong]

Honestly, does it really make since for a class other than a warrior to tank? I mean thats what the class is supposed to do best. Do you hear tanks whining that they can't heal as well as a cleric prime? Its just what the class is built to do. Clerics heal, mages blast, warrriors tank, bards sing, druids do what ever. You get the idea.

[Guinex]

I concur, and Guinexs play with corpses.

[Weasel]

[quote="Avatar":3cfh44i2]Even without new eq, I figure an old-class tank can get to -12 AC without any forges. [/quote:3cfh44i2]
Really? How do you figure that? ..seems a tough call even with currently available forges..

..and casting invisibility on yourself doesn't count, heh.