Unholy str

[Gimlet]

decided to see how much unholy str would boost my str up by today

+2 STRENGTH!!!!!!

i mean seriously, I am lvl 40 necro, unholy str is +2str -1 con, do the immorts really expect anyone to use it?

sucks that avatars have to be eternally dependant on orange potions

[12345]

I was just thinking. I have 3 characters without either spell. I buy a lot of orange potions. If we gave every class all the same skills and spells, I wouldn't have that problem.

[Diazz_Dizazter]

mage > necro...

[Gimlet]

you missed the point.

I'm saying why have such a useless spell that nobody would ever ever use?

[Atwell]

[quote="Gimlet":2j3hj5c4]I'm saying why have such a useless spell that nobody would ever ever use?[/quote:2j3hj5c4]

I believe the smaller juju zombies use it. Vicious juju and juju bokor use demonic strength.

[Diazz_Dizazter]

Nope. I didnt miss the point, you did.

Skills and spells arent to be duplicated between various classes -- minorly
possibly, majorly no.

Now as mage/cleric already has the strength and vigor spell, why would
it make sense for the necro strength to rival or exceed the base strength
spell. It doesnt. So in this case, strength/vigor > demonic strength.

If you dont like it, dont use, and use an orange potion.

[Gimlet]

you obviously ARE missing the point.

I'm not bemoaning the fact that unholy str is less than a mage str spell, I'm saying the spell is absolutely useless. Heck, I'm not even comparing the 2 spells.

[13]

Gimlet is right, unholy str and demonic str are the stupidest shit out.
My avatar necro uses orange potions.

[quote:137ubq41]Skills and spells arent to be duplicated between various classes -- minorly
possibly, majorly no. [/quote:137ubq41]

I guess that would explain why Bard AND Mage share about 1/4 of their spells? And str isn't a cleric spell.

Mage !> Necro

Kell you need some experience with the new classes before you start bashing
Al for having a completely legitimate gripe. As far as 99% of the necros are
concered, you could just remove the necro str spells entirely. At least we
wouldn't be teased then. I'd say we've all learned to deal with it by now,
since it's not even a question whether necros are raw or not. And really
most people with necro (if they're smart) have bard anyway to sing to
their followers. And that comes with str AND vigor.

[Diazz_Dizazter]

[quote:31oz7ytd]I guess that would explain why Bard AND Mage share about 1/4 of their spells? And str isn't a cleric spell.
[/quote:31oz7ytd]

Good golly....

Shared spells, use the same indice in the spellorder of spell parser. They
have different index's available for different classes to have the same spell.
This is the shared spells for bard and mage. Note that not one of these
spells is now unique. The call's are the exact same.

A unique spell is heremtic resonance. Mages only. Spectral shield is also
unique, as its a necro spell.

A duplicate spell would be, a spell, with a different name. Making a
different indice in the spell parser, a new entry in magic.c, a new prot for
spells.h, and an input of spells1.c or spells2.c Thats a duplicate spell.
Now if you take the duplicate spell, and give it the exact same thingeee
mer whobber magic cast, but give it a unique name, then whats the
difference.

So demonic strength doesnt equal up to vigor. Do you see clerics bitching
because spell shield is not as raw as spectral. (not good argument).

This argument is about as lame as saying freeze should hurt level 40 mobs.

So necro's get the shit end of a single ******* spell, and the world must end?

If it sucks, dont get the damn spellbook.

Make a newbie thats necro and bard, problem solved, or necro and mage
problem solved. Lots of classes have useless abilities.

There are lots of useless spells noone uses.

There are even more useless equipments in game that noone ever uses.


Al's only legitmate gripe is how much he pays for boy toys.

[Medios]

One would think that a spell that reduces a stat would be better than a spell that doesnt. Something else to mention is the spell is called demonic strength, have you ever checked out the strength of a demon lately. The whole orange potion comment is a joke. This skill isnt like freeze either, its a top shelf spell for necro. Even if it gave +5 strength you still lose a con and that makes it < mage. Al and Aaron are both right, nobody is using this spell.

Mike

PS Name a useless avatar spell/skill.

[Diazz_Dizazter]

Another point. Not one person but Medios even offered a suggestion as to
remedy demonic strength. Just saying it sucks is just saying it sucks.

Ju'ju's cast it and likely dont loose con/hps but gain str/hit/dam.

+5 str -1 con wouldnt be too evil either.

but soon after that it being +6 str -2 con.

hell, why not just give necro's str spell, then make demonic strength into
a +1 dam -1 con spell too.

Be allowed to spend a couple bil exps to upgrade the spell

Granted necro's dont get alot of spells. But they dont seem to need them either.

[12345]

[quote="Medios":37h7xltn]One would think that a spell that reduces a stat would be better than a spell that doesnt. Something else to mention is the spell is called demonic strength, have you ever checked out the strength of a demon lately. The whole orange potion comment is a joke. This skill isnt like freeze either, its a top shelf spell for necro. Even if it gave +5 strength you still lose a con and that makes it < mage. Al and Aaron are both right, nobody is using this spell.

Mike

PS Name a useless avatar spell/skill.[/quote:37h7xltn]

Laugh, most of the bard songs are completely unused, even the ones that are marinally useful. Doesn't make it an unuseful class.

Unholy strength sucks, I wouldn't use it as long as I had coins for potions.

While we're on the topic of broken skills, there's the drachma skill Track. Simarilcrum, or however it's spelled... Monk stun is pretty much useless, control weather is infinately useful, winds of fortune is useful once in a blue moon (usually right before you get relocate), dawnfire is useful if you're genetically bonded with a clock, feign death is both pointless and potentially fatal, circle is underpowered and almost guarentees your group will outrun you, etc.

I spent a lot of time tracking down spellbooks for spells I'll never use. If you think that one spell cripples the entire necro class, then maybe there's a problem.

[13]

I don't think it cripples it, I just think it's lame.
I play my necro anyway.

[13]

meh....

[Toxis]

Isn't the point of having a skill or spell is that it is used at one time or another? At level 15 prime necro, I still never used the spell. 2 strength isn't good to begin with. Who in their right mind would take +2 str -1 con when they can pay a small ammount of coins for +3 str from potion? The answer is obvious to everyone: No one would. So how do we make it useful?

Strength spell for mages is level +1str 7th level, +2str 15th level, +3str 23rd level, +4str 31st level.

Here are a few suggestions for the unholy str spell...

1: change the spell to lower level necro
2: random the loss between -1 int, -1 wis, or -1 con.
3: at level 23 make it +3 to str

I think the chance not to lose the con every time would be a chance I would actually take to use the spell, and if it was a min of +3 str at level 23 or so, I would have actually used it. And Toxis would use it too.

-Toxis