pthiefs?

[Harlot]

Just like pimping my fellow ho's it's a rough life.. however to rebute 12345 and/or Brand (maybe the same since I never seen them at the same place at the same time) let me state for the most part that a certain unoffical brother/sisterhood of ptheives don't steal out of malice. We usually only run about when the MUD is too quite/slow and want to liven up the enviroment. Mind you, if I see a flashy piece of equipment in someone's inventory then I feel a need to lighten their load but I will sometimes just run around and poke at other lowbies such as myself just to 'play a mini-game of hide-n-seek. I've as well as others of my like are known to even advise lowbies about what we could have stolen should we have wanted to steal said item. So to be fair, the pthief who is running around might not be the 'bad guy' that you think they are. We're just bored.

btw-- Got it!

[Weasel]

hmm.. knowingly receiving stolen goods used to equate to aiding a pthief on sloth, and hence you suffered the same fate as a pthief to some extent (constantly webbed and slept whenever you logged on, although not pkilled necessarily), but that was before ship was invented. Now I guess it's almost impossible to know if the goods were stolen or not when they are obtained through claim.. unless of course the eq is a one-of-a-kind quest item and thus a known stolen item.

Not trying to point the finger btw Gondor so please don't consider the above an accusation in any way, but this is basically without precedent so there is no established sloth ethic - just wondering what people think regarding claim and stolen eq and how it should be treated.

For example, I scored 2 glinting jade bracelets through claim recently, but there's no way of knowing whether they were stolen or just unclaimed, so presumably in that situation it's just good luck, but what about when the item is known to be a thieved item such as the case with this ring? NO doubt this would be a very rare occurance, but it's happened.. so what do players think should be done in this situation? Just call it good luck and offer it to the highest bidder as is happening right now (if you don't keep it for yourself)? or return it to the rightful owner and have expenses reimbursed plus maybe a little additional reward at the owner's discretion? I know I'd be mighty pissed if someone auctioned off eq that they knew for a fact had been stolen from me...

[12345]

It is fun chasing the occasional thief. And some of the recent thieves have actually been fairly cool. However, it no longer seems to be an occasional thing. Having a goofy uncle over is fun for a while, then you'd like him to leave. When thieving starts hurting the mud, I think it's time to tone it down for a while. So, if you don't mind, I will try to make it a little more difficult for you.

[Gnu]

One of the my principals in sloth is not to deal with pthiefs, never buy items they sell and never pay for the items that were stolen from me... Well... everything was legal, nothing to blame Gondor for... he simply found the item... Only now I do understand how lucky I was several monthes ago, when dead and was not able to log in for few hours... fortunately no1 found the entire set of my eq, lying on the ground... I still remember the posts on this crier, when ppl were trying to find the owners of this or that item, that was found somewhere... Old happy days...

One more thing. Selling nice items, that were found in the Post Office Bin is not the only legal thing. You may also kill a mob, that looted someone else and keep the items for your own use or selling... That is also legal, as I know...

What else? I have already bought a new ring oh harmony, that is personal now.

And just keep in mind that gold is cold, good luck.

[Lai]

For the record, before beginning my first rant here, I would like to say that there is no doubt in my mind that Gondor is NOT Poolp. He has been in parties that have tracked down and killed him. I don't have access to his IP addy, but I am 99.9% sure that he in not among the "sister/brotherhood" of thieves.....and I HAVE trusted him with my eq before.

Now.....nodnod....I completely agree with you Gnu!! As one of the newest players to Sloth, I think that someone as senior and wise as you should lead a new charge!! I say that in order to restore the "harmony of Sloth" that the following actions should be taken:

1. Pthieving should be disabled....and not just pthieving....I think that player corpses should not be allowed to be looted. The two or three hour period it takes for your corpse to rot should be punishment for dying....this would solve a lot.
2. Mobs should not be allowed to pick things up.....which will solve the issue of "thieving" by means of killing a mob that looted.
3. All eq should be personal and have a nice little flag on it, so players can return it to the rightful owner. This would also remove the need for a chopping block, auction channel, and post office keeping all of us safe from loopholes that crafty pthieves may find. Unfortunately that would mean that we would all have to actually pop our own spellbooks, but hey, wouldn't you feel more secure?!?!?!
4. Remove the ability to pkill or cast spells on other players. This will remove the ability of high level avatars to pick on a character with lower level by harassing them into doing their bidding. (If you care enough about the item, buy it as a clan.) Oh and if you intend to make Gondor (accused pthief and on the level with pthieves due to practices of finding non-personal items and selling them) and his friends a target for your revenge....don't bother with the webbing and sleeping.....Auto takes care of that on a regular basis anyway.....so won't be anything new to me.
5. Torture should be legal....wait....that would be rl, my bad.
6. Have I missed anything?? Oh wait, nod....I think we should just make this a f#(*!~@ chat!! That would solve everything.

COME ON PEOPLE!!! Most of you have played with Gondor for quite some time....and can you blame him for standing his ground in this case? My opinion is that if it is not a personal item and there is no way of proving who it belongs to (not pointing fingers here, of course) why are you making such a big issue out of it?? Was that the only Ring of Harmony every made before it was made a personal item?? Maybe it is not yours Gnu.....and maybe you are a pthief!! I honestly don't know who you are....and that leaves doubt in my mind! Are you Poolp and are just pissed because you forgot to claim that item before it went into unclaimed goods?? Well, until I have an immort email me and tell me otherwise, I'll keep an eye on the person you might be.

I highly doubt that pthieves are the reason that newbs quit...and from experience, the newbs that are cycling now are bored avatars. Those few who are actual newbs either get hooked and play or bored and quit. Without players like Shaolin, Illic (in his newb alt), Alias, Gondor, and other friends, I might have gotten frustrated/bored and quit before leaving VK. I'm sure that Sloth is no different than any other indoors business and when the weather gets more pleasant, numbers drop. That's the way of the world. *shrug*

PS. I don't have a thief prime char....but I've spoken to one once or twice...so feel free to bring your who clan after me.

[Gnu]

[quote="Lai":3a8ieh44]
My opinion is that if it is not a personal item and there is no way of proving who it belongs to (not pointing fingers here, of course) why are you making such a big issue out of it?? Was that the only Ring of Harmony every made before it was made a personal item?? Maybe it is not yours Gnu.....and maybe you are a pthief!! [/quote:3a8ieh44]

Of course this ring is not main, after it was stolen, Poolp became its owner and it started to be Gondor's after he bought it... Am I a pthief? Sure, why not... The only way to find it out is to pkill me and wait tiil imms will wipe you for illegal pkilling or not, since you were right...
BTW Gnu is an alt char of Pendalf if it tells you anything... and Pendalf is a prime bard, that is the most powerful pthiefing classo.

As for the proofs, just few points:

1. Ring of Harmony is a nice elite item that costs 250 drachma, as I remember and is bard restricted... not many newbs can affort it and will buy it before some other really cool elite items.

2. There are no many non-personal elite items in our days, that's why thair value increases a lot... why? that's easy to understand - you may trade it and give to other chars of yours and even sell... and only the person, who does not know a real value of that item can sell it for 1,5 mils...

So not hard to make a conclusion, that this ring does not belong to Gondor... Then how did he get it? I do not see any other ways but stealing or finding... And I have to repeat it once again, nothing illegal, go on...

Finally, I do not blame anyone, I do not whine... I just see who is who and make conclusions. And gold is still cold...

[Lai]

I do not doubt that gold is cold....but so is accusing others of pthieving in an environment that most hate pthieves and is the only reason for pkilling. Nor do I doubt that the Ring of Harmony is a very valuable item. However, your original post was an accusation against a fellow player that you should know is not a pthief. Then came the building of hate against others. My point is that this is getting outrageous and we will lose more players if this continues without putting someone in check or coming to some sort of agreement to disagree. A little drama makes life interesting....thus the pthieves being allowed to play on the edge of the rules....but there is no reason to tear each other down! If I had/was able to give you the 250 drachma to buy the ring for Shyla, I would, but unfortunately that is personal too.

My purpose for accusing you of being a pthief was to give you an idea of what it is like. I don't pkill w/out [u:luwcfdl8]serious[/u:luwcfdl8] cause...and in fact, much to his distaste, I made one of my group members raise a pthief after another killed him (because the idea of that char back on vk was not a pleasant one). Recently, I had a pretty little "fashion statement" stolen by a pthief...which did piss me off....but I had it in inventory and knew it was a popular item to steal. I don't like pthieving...but it adds another level to the game and another challenge. However, I do support the idea of disallowing high level thieves to take from our newbs.

As to how he came by it, he told everyone and he would have returned it had this thread not put him in the position he is in. My group of friends is honest and we do what we can for other players. However, in this situation, I would probably be doing exactly as he is. Now it is not about the gold.....

[Medios]

Ring of Harmony is trash, Gondor probably found it in a dumpster. Bards without 18 int... rubbish. I think pendalf got smart, threw ring in garbage and someone trying to steal his identity found the ring and shipped it to their cousin. Cousin forgot to claim it and Gondor (Who learned from Ironwolf) sits in the post office waiting for unclaimed goods to sell at the swap meet. Gondor knew that young sir william would be at the meet and the ring could fetch a nifty price. Now poor Gondor looks like Martha Stewart after a prison term. Webbed, slept, sore ass, all symptoms of swap meet bartering. I like these new days where everyone goes around personally attacking other players with no solid evidence of wrongdoing. I have really been waiting for it to happen to a clan member. Oh wait where did Fyrstenheart run off too?

Mike

[Lai]

*LMAO* Love it!! *hugs*

[brady]

I just wanna know what the hell Auto was doing at a luncheon. I hope you raised you're pinky, guzzler.

[Shara]

I have an icon!

[Harlot]

Why you hating so much? You act like pthievery is the worst thing in the world. As for Fyrstenheart, I do miss him

Can't wait to see who wins the ring so I can heckle the piss outta them
Let's make all eq personal... I was laughing my ass off till I saw that you were serious.. then I was puzzled.....silly people...

and no I am Poolp or not rather...or am I?

[Autolycos]

[quote="brady":25xohp4g]I just wanna know what the hell Auto was doing at a luncheon. I hope you raised you're pinky, guzzler.[/quote:25xohp4g]

cackle.. not quite.. some of us still prefer to eat at a table with others.. unlike you brady, who would rather roll on over to the trough and bury your face in with the other leper heathens

[Lai]

[quote:233je815]Let's make all eq personal... I was laughing my ass off till I saw that you were serious.. then I was puzzled.....silly people...[/quote:233je815]
*blink* I was being serious?? heh....you don't know me very well.

[Poolp]

[quote="12345":1heggg0a][quote="Elsie":1heggg0a]2. That a level 40 pthief can pray on a level 10 newbie with no come back, and gives the newbie no realistic opportunity to get the items back.[/quote:1heggg0a]

I would call this a legitimate complaint. It would seem easy enough to add a check that would disallow you from stealing from anyone with fewer total levels than you have. Or within 10...

I think this would help in the following ways:

1) Newbies would be safe from thieving, at least for a short while. Stealing from newbies is kinda cheap anyway.

2) Assuming the thief isn't wearing any eq, it's at least _possible_ to try to get your gear back.

3) It puts things in perspective. If you somehow manage to get a 40 Avatar pthief... there's really no one to steal from, and those you can should be able to deal with it.

And I suggest this for a few reasons. First, the game makes a huge show of getting votes to get more players. Lately though, the thieves are causing more drama than they're worth and they both discouraging new players and driving existing players away. When they were only an occasional nuissance, it was one thing... now they're getting kinda old.[/quote:1heggg0a]

1. It's spelled prey, not pray.
2. There is a code that when you are a certain number of levels above a newbie, your chances of failing steal are very, very high. I remember failing a recall steal with nothing else in my inv about 11 times from a level 8 and that's when I began to notice how the MUD has protected newbies against pthieving.
3. Do some bloody research before you make comments like that.
4. No comment so far on the rest of the topics discussed.
5. WTS JJD (I told you I have too many pthief chars, you'll never stop me)