Warrior non-prime improvements

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[quote:ywgfmjyv]A run consists of me using 900 mana shifted (2300hp, -12ac, 7 attacks @ +26dam) [/quote:ywgfmjyv]

You left out the mana!!!!


No worries....I feel a druid nerfing coming

[jezer]

Might I also point out my mana is actually only 670. I've made a max mana mode to get my 900. It's called working hard... being a dumb warrior your regen is probably a pearl of the rising tide.

I have 9 eq modes, of which I worked my butt off to get myself... nightmaring mobs... while you swam in your decanter at lyme recall whining.

I've earned 1450 drachma so far... to increase my mana regen. If you think my road has been easy to get to where I am.... MAKE A DRUID and find out for yourself... I bet your too weak to make it.

[Toxis]

Toxis and Stryx used to compare each other, and he used to goad me saying how weak warriors were. But when we compared our skills, it's obvious warriors make good tanks and druids regen fast. They each have their special skills that make them powerful in their own way.

Weasel is designed to stab, blast, and tank... and can do longer, better xp runs, while still hitting some pretty big mobs.

A quad caster druid prime is a mana bag that regens fast, no special heals and no special blasts, but can shapeshift and have lots of hp, but no parry, almost same damage in comparrison, and if stone/iron falls, or lite, you have to flee, shapeshift return, cast spells, shapeshift.. all which costs tons of mana.

So a druid quad caster is designed to kill one or two big mobs at a time. While a warrior with thief and mage in classo is designed to hit many small to medium xp/gold mobs, yet can kill a big mob if need be. The low mana regen sucks, but warriors can get almost 90 mana regen with enough work and a vault.

In the end, they're both decent and do what they're designed for: warriors dumb tanks, druids fast regenning tree huggers.

-Tox

[Weasel]

[quote="jezer":lyptui3z]Might I also point out my mana is actually only 670. I've made a max mana mode to get my 900. It's called working hard... being a dumb warrior your regen is probably a pearl of the rising tide.

I have 9 eq modes, of which I worked my butt off to get myself... nightmaring mobs... while you swam in your decanter at lyme recall whining.

I've earned 1450 drachma so far... to increase my mana regen. If you think my road has been easy to get to where I am.... MAKE A DRUID and find out for yourself... I bet your too weak to make it.[/quote:lyptui3z]

LOL what a winner. Oh, and if this is some 'who's got the biggest dick' competition, I've made well over a couple of thousand drachma on Weasel alone. So fcuking what? I had a number of different eq modes too, but had to trim them down as I could not carry or rent with that much eq. You have 9 different eq modes you say? No idea why you need 9 different modes, but changing 1 item does not make an eq mode. LOL. Working your butt off to get eq? Newsflash - everyone has to if they want top eq, you think that somehow makes you special?

For some reason you seem to have taken my post about those stats as some kind of personal attack. It was not, you paranoid little bunny. Yes, my classo sucks relatively speaking, I admit it, heck 2x40 chars of certain classes can do better than my avatar! And yes necros too, whatever, my point was clearly lost on you - it was about warrior primes old school, not you.

[Weasel]

Arg.. why do I ever post here?

[Stryx]

[quote:2jduw60g]Oh, and if this is some 'who's got the biggest dick' competition,[/quote:2jduw60g]

My 'Dick' has 1015 mana... although its not the biggest i've seen.

[quote:2jduw60g]warriors dumb tanks, druids fast regenning tree huggers.
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But, Druids hug tree's harder than warriors do

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[quote:o35t4kqv]'ve earned 1450 drachma so far... to increase my mana regen. If you think my road has been easy to get to where I am.... MAKE A DRUID and find out for yourself[/quote:o35t4kqv]

They is still a druid bug that allows you to clone items even personal. I won't go into details but drachma schmackma, not impressed.

[firebrand]

[quote="Weasel":g5rlqn04]When I see this :
shifted 2300hp, -12ac, 7 attacks @ +26dam
I seriously think it's time to consider retiring my character - the warrior prime class (particularly old school classo) might as well not exist anymore.

Feel free to flame.[/quote:g5rlqn04]

this, my dear weezie, is one of the reasons why i -did- retire my mortals. yes, i do have other classes, but of course, firebrand is my favorite and now she is no longer any fun to play. i am sick to death of almost any other class being able to outtank a 5x40 wa prime. i thought warriors were supposed to be the biggest, thickest, buffest badasses ingame. clearly, no one else (including our coders) seems to think that warriors are tanks anymore, so i will log in once in a while to taunt you all and to say hello to friends but my mortal days playing here are over.

have fun following a cleric tank, guys, because apparently warriors are being phased out by giving all the other classes our skills and buffs and everyone tries to get warrior ac (and gets it). there are many, MANY other reasons i have left but that is the main one. it's gods damned bullshit when a 5x40 wa prime cannot walk in to something buffed and lit and still die in seconds when trying to help someone else. i am sick and tired of being told as a wa pime that due to not having -12 ac, wraithform, spec shield, dmg redux and a few other things that the leader would prefer firebrand playing BLASTO. are you KIDDING? with the abysmally low mana regen of being wa prime i am being asked to BLAST? what point to even having wa class anymore? patches, fixes, updates, upgrades, new skills/spells do not fix the problem. all it does is shut the bitching up for 5 minutes by being given something spiffy and new - and then everyone gets it or everyone bottlenecks on the mob(s) trying to get new item or spellbook and then we are right back where we were. warriors are useless except to get heavy armor proficiency.

stop allowing eq and skills and pets replace and phase an entire class out. quit throwing things out there that let a fukcing necro with pets go solo group mobs. that's just a kick in the teeth to the mob builder who designed it for SEVERAL people to kill, not just one person. the idea is not to see how well you can min/max your character and then go brag about how much drachma and hi-end eq you have. the trick is to actually work together with others (multiplaying does NOT count!!!) to achieve a goal.

once long ago i was led to believe that this was a GROUP-oriented mud with things focusing on encouraging grouping and in some places flat out REQUIRING a group just to get through it. nowadays, it's only a matter of time before someone figures out how to solo it. one of these days i am going to log in and find someone soloing atlas and luci and other epics. come to think of it, i bet brad already does with his army of chars (*taunt* brad). just kidding on that one but you get the idea.

okay. time to sit back and watch while this post gets flamed, picked apart and some smartass asshat shows me precisely where i am wrong.


"there's wrong, and there's wrong, and there's *this*." --john hartigan --sin city

[Yasik2]

how many of you leveled a druid character higher than 1x20 ?
you don't know *anything* about playing druid so post some tits or gtfo, your president commands you so!

[img:23dzhjqz]http://yasik.kiev.ua/4chan/Obama_Tits_or_GTFO.jpg[/img:23dzhjqz]

[sirrico1]

[quote="juggleblood":2agu14qj]What are peoples thoughts so far on using the tumbling skill as tank? Has anyone tried to figure out how much damage it reduces?[/quote:2agu14qj]


no idea I can't seem to get tumble defense

[angel]

come on reb, warriors are fun, just gotta know how to play em
but i do agree with u,with the new classo's, u can practically solo anything:).
well apart from epics n the once in a while quests, grouping isnt needed almost at all.

[strider]

Guess i'll start with juggles question, tumbling sucks for tanks thieves anything that can use it. it's a great idea but i tested it quite a lot and it gave about 12dmg redux on one attack. that's if it fires which even using a thief prime is very rare. generally it will work once every other round and will get a full miss (avoid full dmg of attack) maybe once every 20 rounds. it's a cute skill but utterly pointless, sorry.

yes old school tanks are missing a lot of the pretty bells and whistels of these fancy new tanks. we are no longer the top dog for large group tanks. but we can still do some pretty nifty things we're just more handy in smaller type groups now. we can't take hits as well, but we can dish out way more dmg than most any of the new tanks. now i know a tank's whole purpose in life is to take dmg. but even in old school groups only one tank took the dmg, the rest had to do dmg. quit focusing on what you can't do and embrace what you can!!

all based on being 5x40:
Old school tanks get 5 attacks!!
Even w/ moderate to crappy eq you can run -10 and 20+dmg
Throw in weapon dmg, buy 15 and a couple items, +22 suddenly!
Use valor and throw in that +42 dmg and suddenly we hit damn hard.
So wear that -12 gear in groups, if a fancy new tank comes along, switch a half dozen pieces of eq and be one helluva heavy hitter without even using any mana!!

There are still quite a few fun things you can do with the old tanks and even now i wish i hadn't given up on strider so quickly. the thought of him at +44 w/ an aodl and a bard singing gods. ohh the carnage!!!

[angel]

totally agree,but i can do pure viscous with minstrel singin gods:P with berserk of course n yes 5attack tanks do hit harder than a freagin piasa!

[firebrand]

no can do. there is more to it than just not being top tank class anymore. i hate feeling useless in a group and firebrand in others' opinions is just that - useless - useless until you need her to go run get your dead ass out of somewhere then the song and dance changes. that is when i will get a tell or a gossip or an im "help me! save deadass!". so i stop my run with next to no mana, go relocating across the map to go find you, only to find that someone ELSE has gone to get you and raise you and then i have to sit and regen for 20 fuk king minutes, relocate back, etc etc wasting mana before i can go all the way back to where i was running. and then i either die coming to help you or i die on my runs and no one can be bothered to come get me until i corpse then it's "so sorry". yeah, you're sorry. what about the xps or level i just lost? nah. not worth the frustration anymore. sorry.

i am sick of fighting for hours to get xp token only to lose all that i have earned and then some in a couple seconds. and on top of that, if i corpse, then there is the potential of getting looted, so have to yell for help, wait till someone finishes their run to come help me then take 15 minutes or more just hunting down all my looted eq, which is total BULL SHIT. we fight hard enough for our eq with cycling, drachma and forges only to have to go and recapture it off a damn thief mob - or several of them if in a room or area where there are a lot of looting mobs. it's kinda stupid to double-cycle for the same item, isn't it?

i am not playing her as a thief, as a cleric or a mage. she is (or was until she became a funny-looking relic) a goddamned TANK. that is the way i have built her and worked on her for the past 9 years or so. she was pretty buff for a while - she was one of the top few tanks in game. and then new classes came along and there came wraithform and spectral shield and damage reduction. all of a sudden i saw a 2x40 monk with new spells/skills/buffs and debuffs able to outtank a 5x40 warrior. i got told that it was smarter to have a tank that didn't need heals. what a total insult that was.

and then to watch a fuk king NECRO with jujus go solo demogorgon while i had to have a full group with healo, blasto, and stabba MINIMUM. i don't appreciate all the hours of time and effort invested in her making her a tank get thrown in my face when i am asked to be simple meat in the group. and don't tell me to make another character. i have. several, in fact. but none of them is firebrand. i know that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU has a character that you like to play more than your alts. and thanks to nerfs, buffs, and new classes, i don't like to play her anymore. why should i stay and play something that is no longer any fun? like i said in this post and the previous one, there are other factors that are also contributing to my decision to hang up my mortal hat and just focus on building for you guys.

yeah, i want the ac and the damage and shit but i have to give up too much and i -still- can do nothing more than run coins solo with her unless i want to hit abysmally underlevel mobs. i don't like killing only one or two mobs and regenning for 10 damn minutes while i wait for mana regen, wait for spells to fall, recast spells, regen AGAIN so that i have some running mana and then use it all up on two more mobs. fukk a whole bunch of that shit. tell me to find a partner or a group? no, thank you. most of the time, the partner is a newbie that waits for my reporter or whiner to fire before they bother to heal me, or they stay out of the fight to blindness the mob while i stand there fighting, dying, and getting no heals because they won't get in the fight, assist me by providing more damage, throwing heals on me and then using in-combat shit.

do you know how many times i have been in a LYME group - a place where you should know how to group - and heard newbie shit? "who is the tank?" "who do i prot?" etc. if you don't know how to use the group command and SEE the point flag or the person under leader and KNOW they are tank, if you don't know that the person below you is the one you protect (once the leader says "fix prots"), if you don't automatically know what the hell to do by then with only basic instructions then gtfo lyme. i have no use for you. i am not dying because you either bought the character or you were powerlevved up and still have more than half of your spells and skills unlearned because you haven't had time to get the books and still you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

bah. why do i even bother. long story even longer, i retired my mortals - at least for a while. sloth will always hold a place in my heart, i will always be on the fringes, but it's time to turn my efforts to other things. i hope that some of the stuff ember (me) has in store for you, you will come to enjoy.


"my daddy always said, "when you want to hammer a nail, don't do anything fancy. just get a hammer and pound the son of a bitch." -church -->soldier

[alias]

Ive said it many times...all it takes is to implement a new spell to allow a prime necro to cast wraithform on another player then all your old school or hybrid tanks are now capable of tanking everything just about equally.
Wraith charms dont last long enough but fluid charms work well.


And who was this necro who solod demo? I have a pretty decent necro running -11 and still cant take stuff that my Tard warrior can w/o wraithform.
Was this before Demonweb got buffed or after?

Im sure I need necro lessons but there really arent a lot of higher necros up there anymore because they have been NERFED ALREADY.