Reasonable Behaviour: Language & Trolling

[Mustang]

to be honest, i've yet to see excessive swearing on the mud, in my 13 yrs on the game. most of us do keep our cussing in check, and if we do know that there are kids in our groups, would try our best not to do it at all.

what got me pissy was the fact that Grue is trying to act all righteous and elitist by putting himself in a class separate from "cussers".

[Grue]

Laugh, deleted my original post as would enrage people

Western society has down the tubes and the acceptance of foul language is just another symptom of that. If my opinion offends you too bad.

By the way, I hire 3 to 4 new poeple a year, and help interview a lot more. If someone cussed in a job interview (I mean seriously foul language) they will not make the next interview. Maybe I am hiring for different jobs, but if I sent one of my staff into a meeting and they used the langauge that people have used on the crier in the past, they would be escorted from the building and I can't run that risk as it reflects on me. Maybe a different work environment (I work for the IT shop of a corporation), but it certainly would never be acceptable here except to vent off behind closed doors.

[Mustang]

yeah and we should all annoint you as the next pope then

[Mustang]

yeah and we should all annoint you as the next pope then

[Grue]

Hey, I'd rather aspire to be the Pope than Jay Z.

[12345]

Grue seems to be trolling his own thread.

[Mustang]

yeah, i'm sure the altar boys would love for u to be the pope too

[blackmore]

[quote="Grue":2lqa3n61]
Western society has down the tubes and the acceptance of foul language is just another symptom of that.[/quote:2lqa3n61]
I'd rather accept foul langauge than drinking and driving. Society going down the tubes is matter of perspective.

[quote="Grue":2lqa3n61]
If someone cussed in a job interview (I mean seriously foul language) they will not make the next interview. [/quote:2lqa3n61]
I never suggested reciting lines from Pulp Fiction, it's all about showing you can fit in with the people you're interviewing with. We swear all the time at work (a software company), but not when dealing with customers - it's about self control.

I can't find a way to include this as part of my opinion, so I'll just include it because it's so damn funny - our IT guy IM'd our customer service chick with "My dick is so big it rescued 3 people from the floods in New Orleans".

[12345]

[quote="blackmore":2xa6lwx5]I can't find a way to include this as part of my opinion, so I'll just include it because it's so damn funny - our IT guy IM'd our customer service chick with "My dick is so big it rescued 3 people from the floods in New Orleans".[/quote:2xa6lwx5]

That is funny... but you have to be real careful who you say that kind of thing to. Very easy to get hit with a sexual harassment suit for that kind of thing.

Another thing Grue may want to consider is that there is not a single culture on this game. Different standards exist everywhere. For many years I was looked down upon in the military because I _didn't_ curse. I was looked at completely sideways in Germany because I _didn't_ drink. Both are habits that I eventually picked up because it's almost impossible to avoid doing so. That didn't make any of those people evil, just different. Though admittedly, it took me a long time to get out of the habit of cursing in casual conversation.

Just because people don't adhere to your strict morale standards doesn't mean they're any better or worse than you. It just makes them different. There is no universal morale high ground when you're dealing with the entire world. Most are willing to be considerate if asked politely, even Mustang admitted as such and he's as coarse as they come.

I'm curious how far you've travelled in your life. You seem to have a very narrow view of things.

[blackmore]

[quote="12345":dt5zl6b7]That is funny... but you have to be real careful who you say that kind of thing to. Very easy to get hit with a sexual harassment suit for that kind of thing.[/quote:dt5zl6b7]
She complained to the HR guy, who told her she was just ticked her "my vagina is so big" jokes in response didn't go over so well.

In reality, she has said numerous times if anyone is sued for harassment in our company, she'd be first on the list - but obviously you have to know whether you can get away with saying this stuff or not.

[Grue]

If you mean me, I've lived in 2 countries on different continents, went to public schools, university for 6 years, lived in 7 cities (5 in the US, east and west coast), travelled to 5 countries, 27 states in the US in 5 years, fly 4 times a month, worked for 2 state agencies, work with 12 national groups and 4 senators offices, ran a conuslting firm for 12 years and have consulted for over 300 companies, written over 20 applications, worked for film crews, done professional sound engineering, done studio recording and played in 7 professional bands. I'm fairly well-travelled, and have no illusions about the real world. I have been in many settings where people not only swear but do far worse things.

What is at issue is whether it is right because everyone does. If everyone in the army had sex with sheep would that make it acceptable? As my grandmother always said, if your friends told you to stick your head in the fire would you do it? Moral lines are not determined by human norms, if they were the genocide in Rwanda would be acceptable by Rwandan standards.

It may sound silly to compare cussing to those kinds of actions, but the raelity is that 50 years ago the language used today in schools, the work place and on TV would not have been tolerated. Everyone has these romantic visions of 1950s America, the Golden Age. Well you know what, that 'innocence' was predicated on social norms that we no longer accept.

What you realism I call moral compromise (and this is obviously way beyond language on Sloth). The next push in the United States will be lowering the age of consent, AKA the Califonia Man-Boy love project, and legalizing incest, and there are already pushes underway to do that. Why should cussing be OK in any normall society, but not OK in rap and hip-hip, and if it is OK in that music, do we also accept all the other social norms that music espouses.

By the way, I'm not heated up about this, I just think there is a broader moral issue, and frankly I think the United States and a lot of other countries are creating a monster they will not be able to contain.

Flame if you want (I'm sure you will), but these are not the cloistered views of a sheltered prig. You may not agree with them, and some of you probably see me as the worst of the right-wing (although I am more politically left than anything), but this is not a Christian home-schooled perspective. This is a political activist perspective. Stand for what you beleieve. Let everyone do what they like if it feels good and is hurting noone is not a belief system, it's abdication of social responsibility.

[12345]

Actually, I was basing my views on the fact that this thread is titled 'Reasonable Behavior' and you seem to be of the opinion that people on this game should be held to a higher morale standard than the people you claim to deal with every day....

Not much reasonable in that.

[Weasel]

While I can appreciate your opinion Grue, remember that there are people here who have been playing sloth for well over a decade, and it seems suddenly you are here telling them how you think they should and should not act while on sloth. Some may resent that. Maybe that's doesn't seem fair to you, but that's life. As mentioned, there are rules about swearing on the public channels, but beyond that it's really a case of tolerance rather than making others conform to your standards. Again, you can create triggers to replace specific words with asterixes if you wish - that way everybody is happy being themselves and some of the more boisterous players wont have to shout "I'm being repressed!"


Mustang: GREAT analogy - ".it's like expecting porn to not contain nudity or sex just so kids can watch them for the plot. "

And Grue, I just saw this on one of your recent comments:
" If my opinion offends you too bad. "
WTF? You've just been asking everyone to conform to your standards, then turn around and say [i:1i95yvad]that[/i:1i95yvad] when someone has to say something against it??? Well **** you, I'm actually inclined to start swearing regularly on 'say' after that..

Regarding your statements about escorting your staff from the building for foul language at work - you need to realize that Sloth is not an office or workplace (well, unless you're a coder I guess) and that this is an informal environment that does not have the same etiquette as an office - perhaps you should take off your 'I'M THE BOSS' hat and be a little more tolerant of others?

Unfortunately you've got most people here on the defensive, and it's hard to get anyone to consider your point of view without bias once they are in that mode.

I'll add that I do appreciate where you're coming from - it sounds like me with some coding changes *nudge 12345* you're probably on the 6th level on Kohlberg's moral stages too hehe.

[Alberich]

[quote="Grue":1m6gvq92]I
What you realism I call moral compromise (and this is obviously way beyond language on Sloth). The next push in the United States will be lowering the age of consent, AKA the Califonia Man-Boy love project, and legalizing incest, and there are already pushes underway to do that. Why should cussing be OK in any normall society, but not OK in rap and hip-hip, and if it is OK in that music, do we also accept all the other social norms that music espouses.[/quote:1m6gvq92]

besides getting into why that's just a plain silly comparison (one is wrong due to genetic reasons, the others are purely personal bias) you seem to be missing the point that 'morality' as such is stricly a matter of subjective experience - you and I might have widely different opinions on what constitutes morality (see more on this below)

[quote="Grue":1m6gvq92] Stand for what you beleieve. Let everyone do what they like if it feels good and is hurting noone is not a belief system, it's abdication of social responsibility.[/quote:1m6gvq92]

actually, that is the only rational belief system (as it harms none, do what you will). Anything else is statist nonsense and leads inexorably to the sort of Orwellian nightmare the British have (ASBO's, etc).

[Guinex]

I think we should just bring this to ebony tower and let the best man stfu.

*smoke*