by Ezekiel » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:12 pm
Taron, just so many things to refute from your post:
1."Another reason why I don't lead eq groups is that I can solo medium-sized mobs myself. I don't need or want to drag 5 people around, spend time killing their mobs, only to kill the mob I can solo."
This is a more subtle way of saying, "I benefitted from groups for my eq, but now don't care about the new playerbase who need the same tools."
Cutthroat capitalism tactics at it's finest...use others to get ahead...then when those beneath you need the same hand up...accuse them of not knowing or doing enough, or being pesky or a burden to your time. So glad you get to enjoy the luxury from the top of your tower. You see, there was this thing called 'community' before on the mud...where ya know..people's inadequacies were replaced with wanting them to learn and grow alongside you rather than cutting them out as a dead-weight, waste of time.
2. "Eze, there's no logic in guiding the players offlyme. Imms had already nerfed chop, and it only moved groups off-Lyme. Newbies could join a chop exp train and help, now they can only join offlyme groups, where they don't really help (heck, we had a fallout, when a 20ne got a rhodo)."
-Obviously this is not true about the newbs 'only joining groups off lyme' because as I numerous times previously stated...that is not what is happening...these low-mid levels are exclusively sponging on Lyme and contributing nothing. And you and maybe one other were the only one to have a fallout over that rhodo situation..almost the entirety of the mud thought it a null issue.
"Again, introducing any limits will not solve anything. Anyone running solo on their own or dragging their friends will do the same offlyme, you are simply moving them to another continent, Eze, without fixing the underlying problem. You can't force the early 9x40s to group, because they've already got most of the runes, when gems popped like candies in chop groups (another reason why chop groups might bring the grouping back, btw)."
This, again, is false. 9x40 that speed run Lyme will not get the same yields personally dragging newbs and mid-levs around SS or AH, etc. This means that reinstating the 3x40 lev restr. would leave under 3x40 to either solo or form groups for xp off lyme while the above 3x40 can continue speed running Lyme. If everyone is always acting on self-interest, as you are implying...those running Lyme will not branch over to helps newbs and mid-lev friends run off-lyme because it's going to hurt their own xp per hour...the speed runs are just too high yielding on Lyme to pass up time wise. They'll just cut out the dragging and sponging of the newbs. If they do decide to move off Lyme to help newbs and mid-levs sponge they'll have to at least have to do it at their own expense.
"Those same avatars can solo most mobs as well, so they don't eq groups."
-Agreed, bringing up third point
3. "High level avatars do need something to do and complex forges, like Ars, scarab of destruction, the mithril shirt, the herbalist clasps are good examples of what's needed for high-level chars for them to join eq groups. These items are 2x40 restricted, with clasps being 5x40. We need more 5x40+ forges, ideally at least one forge for every class for 6x40, 7x40, 8x40 and 9x40, so people could continue making progress after getting another 40 (so far, there's little progress to be made by leveling 7x40, unless you put mage there, like I did).
- also, agreed
"(Making Ars 5x50 restricted, scarab 6x40 restricted and herbalist clasps 8x40 restricted won't fix anything. Not to mention that the scarab has a 40th restriction, with most ppl having it in the 6-8 class area.)
-I never said anything about changing restr. on eq...in fact, I'm stating just the opposite. Shifting restr. on in-game eq does nothing to get people back to hitting any eq mobs, because the high level chars ALREADY HAVE THE EQ. I was suggesting that more brand new, high end pieces/forges be put in to make it worthwhile to branch out and not be a zombie to xp all day, every day.
"4. You are right that it's impossible to get good eq for new players. And when leaders do hit eq mobs on an exp run, people complain (usually, the same people). Heck, even the Surf, who shall not be named, left an exp group just before we were going to hit Iblis for the main tank (me, incidentally, and I wasn't leading). When we hit Iblis for the 2nd and 3d time, because he actually popped, half the group left. So much for popping eq for tanks."
- Yes, you know, healers and tanks never get the breaks...it's not like we give them leeway or anything for calls hitting their extra eq mobs in xp groups. *rolls eyes* Please sense the sarcasm, as tanks and manabag healers are about the only ones to be able to cycle/call/meander to hit eq mobs in such groups...anyone else gets shushed or laughed at because they're not of the same value. Poor you...you didn't get to cycle iblis more than once for your eq in an xp group.
"To be fair, when I lead exp groups, I only hit eq mobs that also have exp and are close to where we are running, and still get complaints."
-Agreed, you hit mobs like archfiend, for instance. Great mob, double pops eq, pretty easy xp, benefits everyone.
"I do not hit eq mobs that are way out of the way, are low exp and there's no beacon/passage, and still get complaints, because I didn't. "
-That comes from the frustration of chars never having eq groups again and hoping against hope that this month they 'might' get to hit their mobs once while in group...and that's probably for one cp of 8. Wonder where that expectation to hit the mob may come from...maybe it's from seeing Iblis hit in xp groups?
"And if I do kill an eq mob, I hit it once, unless it's for the main healer, such as Dr/Fluffy, because the group needs them as much as they need the main tank. (Btw, care to guess what or who drove them away?)"
-Yes, they're both in my clan and they both took breaks (weren't "driven away") for reasons having nothing to do with what we're talking about here...i only talk to them on ktalk every time they log on...but I'm sure you'd know much more than me on the matter...continue to speculate as if you know some deep, dark secret though.
-Zeke