is it mages turn ?!

[Sage]

Yep, yep... It's very easy to come to person's back unnoticed if there's 5 of you... Giving mages abbility to stab with mirrors would give bonus only for mages who got TH in classO. And it's not fair you know.
The bonuses that could be useful for all prime mages are:
Extra firewind damage. (Yes, prime mages got 90 spellbonus CAP, but it's not enough, at least for Wise ) And maybe it'd be nice idea to add some "masterful" feature to firewind too .
Greater % of plastic mirrors.
Greater % of masterful cast on mage spells. Did I say firewind got no "masterful" upgrade?
Increase duration of mage’s spells.
Decrease cast lag for mage’s spells. (Decrease “mirrors” cast lag for prime mages)
Decrease mob’s SAVES against prime Ma damage spells.
Add extra memorize slots for 1-40 mage spells.
Add 5% chance of causing double damage with “firewind” spell for prime mages.

[Falsra]

[quote="Sage":2jk3er3f]Giving mages abbility to stab with mirrors would give bonus only for mages who got TH in classO. And it's not fair you know.
[/quote:2jk3er3f]

but now mages with thief in classo have disadvantage!
you think is it fair ? isnt it disbalancing ?

the original idea was not to mess penalty with other classes abilities.

[Falsra]

[quote="Sage":1gbe6f0z]Yep, yep... It's very easy to come to person's back unnoticed if there's 5 of you... [/quote:1gbe6f0z]

humans can explain everything they want.
but this explanation is not so good since mages cant even stab
permablind mobs.

[Alberich]

how is it not fair? Is it not fair also that mages who took say necro instead of thief have tons more mana? different things for different classos. and noone said adding some other bonus to mirrors wasn't a good idea - we are talking about removing something that only penalizes a small portion of old class mages - if you don't have thief in classo, why do you care one way or the other?

[Hotara]

Still on for innate spell damage reduction, obviously it's the bomb

[Avatar]

I think the cleric aerial servant has some restriction related to stabbing also. Like you can't cast the servant if you've stabbed recently? I'm not sure, been awhile since I used aerial.

[Shadis]

Sage wrote:
Giving mages abbility to stab with mirrors would give bonus only for mages who got TH in classO. And it's not fair you know.



SEE!! SEE!!!

Thieves are being repressed in all functions!!!!!!!

Thieves are the weakest class

Silly mages

[Hotara]

[quote="Shadis":7hp84rec]

Thieves are the weakest class

[/quote:7hp84rec]


Oh hell yea You JUST realized?

[Hotara]

Gotcha boss, thanks for the details.

[12345]

With folks claiming that firewind-doesn't-do-enough-damage, it's helpful to remember that firewind is in no way underpowered.

Also consider that you can blast off 3 of em at a cost of 0 mana. Don't know how you can make a spell much cheaper than free, even if clerics have reduced cost for restores.

Prime casters also have an increased chance of casting masterfuls, and many masterfuls have the effect of not missing. Doesn't help with firewind, oh well.

Stabbing someone with mirrors up doesn't make any kind of sense, but then again, a druid works to protect nature and a necro works to destroy it... and we have druid/necros and necro/druids all over the place.

Stabbing is a risky enough endeavor for prime thieves, if mage/thiefs really wanna crack at it why tell them they can't, but tell the mage/monks they can grip?

I'll shut up now

[Driven]

Grip and backstab are very different skills. Grip does not enable you (correct me if I'm wrong) to kill thief-type big-xp high-damage mobs at lvl 40 monk without getting hit. Grip forces you to take a few rounds of combat, which against 1mil+ thief-type mobs is going to hurt even with mirrors up. A lot. Double backstab enables you to kill these mobs at lvl 40 thief without even entering combat really. If you were to allow mage primes to stab with mirrors, all danger of stabbing disappears. Stab, wind wind, mirrors stop all damage. Free xp forever without getting hit. C'mon. The whole point of backstab is that it is high risk, high reward. With mirrors there would be no risk. People would run regen/damage equipment and not even use AC eq in this solo mode. Something very very wrong about that.

If anything should be changed, perhaps grip should not be allowed when mirrors are up. Admittedly, Driven is not high enough level to use grip, so I'm generally unfamiliar with the skill. Does it require stealth at all? If not, then it would make sense that it can be used with mirrors. I can imagine the deathgrip move involving close-range-contact, and the monk pivots around the mob into a deadly headlock of some kind. Backstab, you obviously need to sneak up on someone from behind. How can you sneak up on them if there's 5 of you?

[Leaf]

Gripping a mob takes 1 round before anything else. While Stabbing you can
wind the next round. So you are correct Driven. Also like u said, gripping
is like giving someone a headlock. It's a touch sub, but I like the ex about
stab stab blast and have mirror block all damage.
Makes senese to me!

[Falsra]

[quote="Driven":1zcfqoeh]Stab, wind wind, mirrors stop all damage. Free xp forever without getting hit.[/quote:1zcfqoeh]

Mirrors usually absorb one or two attacks in one combat round.
It is exactly what parry does and warriors hps absorb 2nd/3rd attacks.
But we dont want to forbid warriors stab with parry enabled.

Mages can have only 4 mirrors up and recasting mirrors costs 80 mana.
Allowing stabbing with mirrors would make running thief-type mobs
more safe, but it would not be free xp.

Sloth has enough areas with mage-type mobs where most mages
do thier solo free xp runs - wind wind, mirrors stop all damage.

I just want penalties would be reconsidered and not tied with other
classes abilities. Mirrors penalty sems to be kinda outdated imho.

Look at the current ( just copy/pasted ) who list and count mages prime.
After that look at how many mages prime have thief in classo -
only old old Merlin

[ *Assassin* ] Deju will pay 7mil for iolite bottle/scales
[ *Hierarch* ] Doc {GAIDIN} afk
[ *Assassin* ] Rojak afk at work from time 2 time
[ *Minstrel* ] Taliesin looking for wise
[ *Priestess* ] Tinkles dreams of ar magica
[ *Theologue* ] Madmax needs call followers books!
[40c 40w 40m 28t] Eva is rhymin' and stealin'~[DoW]~
[40m 40c 40w 22d] Brady
[40m 40c 40n 18w] Blastem THX All
[40o 36w 30c 20b] Volnaib
[40c 31w 25m 14n] Ilic needs partially dissolved sb
[40m 28d 22n 20c] Clue !
[39n 25o 22d 21c] Cony "Me Cony"
[33t 19w 20c 12m] Ro WTB: Crystal Bracelets
[32b 25w 20m 19c] Karl needs Gods of War book and Bars of Mithril
[28n 15d 11c 8m] Soul Cypher, need distressed sb
[28n 14d 8o 4c] Ditheca xiang wu tou cang ying - bu guai
[23m 14n 0c 0t] Merlin mini-demon
[20w 20t 20o 18c] Xeena wtb decanter of endless water
[20c 20m 20w 15t] Draka ..
[20w 20c 20t 15m] Kanuni Omne ignotum pro magnifico
[20w 20c 17m 8o] Hinnasee looking for necrology sb
[20t 20w 15m 12c] Yakuza WTB Blue Steel Sleeves
[20o 20m 13c 4d] Ronin needs stalk manual
[20t 19m 10w 10c] Rufur remembers that every vote counts
[19n 15d 10o 6b] Lorna will buy your triangular token
[12w 12c 8n 4d] Anselm is one of a kind!
[11t 8o 1m 1w] Magron wtb tri
[10n 5m 3c 1w] Arc the Untitled
[ 8t 2o 0n 1c] Fury Wrath Destruction...
[ 7w 3c 0t 0o] Selik the Untitled
[ 6t 2c 1m 0w] Zimm the bacon knight
[ 4d 2w 1t 0m] Gwydion Pendragon
[ 2n 1m 0w 0t] Zaluss Zaluss Xem
[ 1d 0c 0m 0n] Son the Untitled

I do not like this situation and i think the reason is mirrors penalty.
But if immortals do not see a problem here - *shrug*, we will live with that.

/falsra
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[Autolycos]

to add a little fun on the thiefy side to what Driven had said. i do enjoy the spoils that a thief gets, so far the biggest xp splork i have had, was driders in Dweb for 3.1mil..
now although its way easy to fall in love with that, since i dont have firewind yet (1 lev away ) if i whiff one, i'm dead. heheh