Game, set, match.

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I don't trust Greys, they like forcing things up your bum.

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[*juggleblood*]

Maybe you could label Obama a Marxist, but then what should we call the Republicans? The fascist party?

Even if you don't like blacks or liberals, Obama is the better candidate. Even if McCain wins, he would have divided the country in such a way that would make it ungovernable.

Obama is uniquely qualified to lead this country with a mandate from the people and I fail to see how that could be a bad thing, whether Obama likes to read Marx or not.

And to repeat something someone has already pointed out; he couldn't possibly socialize the country more than Bush's administration just has.

edit: I hate grey people.

[Weasel]

[quote="juggleblood":2pr2hg4i]In short, you are a right wing nutjob, just like the people who have been ruining our country for the last 8 years.[/quote:2pr2hg4i]
LOL was wondering when you'd revert to that - always happens when libs can't refute the facts about Obama.. either they get abusive, blame Bush, or they just flat-out lie ..FYI it was Clinton's 'every American should have a home' plan that removed market regulation, and forced Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into lowering their mortgage requirements. Bush actually voted against that and tried to since, but democrats always overruled - best you educate yourself on the facts instead of reciting the liberal BS blame game.

[quote="juggleblood":2pr2hg4i]Maybe you could label Obama a Marxist, but then what should we call the Republicans? The fascist party?[/quote:2pr2hg4i]
Again, Congress is democrat majority, and has been for the last 2 years. You want to blame someone for the 'fascism' - blame your democrats.

[quote="juggleblood":2pr2hg4i]Even if you don't like blacks or liberals, Obama is the better candidate. Even if McCain wins, he would have divided the country in such a way that would make it ungovernable. [/quote:2pr2hg4i]
Again another liberal defense: accusing people of racism if they don't support Obama. Well Mr Racist, I don't give a flying fcuk what color Obama is, I vote for what's right for the country I live in - or in the case of this election, I will vote against what's worse for this country. I've said before I'm not a McCain fan, so trying to use that as some sort of defense is futile.

[quote="juggleblood":2pr2hg4i]Obama is uniquely qualified to lead this country with a mandate from the people and I fail to see how that could be a bad thing, whether Obama likes to read Marx or not.[/quote:2pr2hg4i]
Explain to me how Obama is qualified to lead this country again? Because you said so, is that your logic again? Great. You know, people have been asking that same question for months of how Obama is qualified, and I've yet to hear an answer, other than:
(a) because he's a great orator.
(b) because he's a black man.
(c) because I said so.
(d) shut up you're a racist.
and often in that sequence, and you seem to have come pretty close to it too. Go figure.

[quote="juggleblood":2pr2hg4i]And to repeat something someone has already pointed out; he couldn't possibly socialize the country more than Bush's administration just has.[/quote:2pr2hg4i]
And again to repeat something many people have said, Congress have approved these socialist measures, and Congress is a democrat majority.

You need to educate yourself about this person you are so convinced is right for the country, because you seem to know nothing about him.

Fact is, I'm sad to say the way things look, Obama will win this, and you will find out the hard way exactly what you've been blindly promoting without first educating yourself. I guess you'll at first be happy with it if you're one of these people who think they are entitled to have everything given to them and not have to work for it, which is so much the international stereotype of the fat lazy American. A few years down the line when those above get sick of working to support your lazy a$$, they're going to stop working and demand handouts just like you, then you're going to have second thoughts when the money's all gone, but by then it will be too late.

Socialism has never worked anywhere. It keeps the poor poor, turns the middle class into poor also, and creates a very very small super elite political authority, who keep themselves in power through fraud and intimidation. If Obama gets in, I'll be taking everything I can from this country - every possible grant, benefit and handout, and when the house of cards falls, I'll leave you holding the bag, because that is, after all, what you wanted. Reap what you sew buddy, just a shame you won't open your eyes while you still have a chance.

[jezer]

Who does one vote for, if you believe in some ideals of Capitalism and Socialism to certain degrees? You need balance!

You make it sound like Obama and McCain are poles apart... when they they probably stand in about the same place... leaning in different directions.

You could tell me 1000 differences... but really how does this effect your life directly? Bet it doesn't. Certainly not worth drawing lines in the sand, and losing friends over it.

I appreciate your passions, but for what? I've never had a government make a direct effect on my life ever... and I guess I'm lucky in that regard... but honestly we have our "republicans" and "democrats" over here, and truth is, nothing changes for me when they swap and change.

I have the same job, the same car, same family, same everything. Same town council, same state council.... same same same! What ever government that is in, just follows the tides of world events and other governments just like everyone else. Our new government has been in almost a year now... different face on TV is all the change... my life hasn't changed a single bit that you could ever tell.

This is like a war over +1 mana regen per tick... sure it's nice, but it's effect isn't too much worth the hassle.

[Weasel]

Yeah it's weird J[b:33fntbwj]ezer[/b:33fntbwj]. When I came here from NZ I was laughing at the 'eww you're a democrat' 'eww you're a republican' bollox that goes on here. I mean seriously, people base their entire group of friends on their political affiliation, it's really bizarre, I just couldn't figure it out. I guess I've lived here long enough now that I've got sucked into it too, because it [i:33fntbwj]will[/i:33fntbwj] effect how we live, way more than it ever did when I lived in NZ. Thanks for the reminder of where I come from though - down under - and that's where we'll be heading when it really turns to custard here.

[b:33fntbwj]Juggleblood[/b:33fntbwj] (and anyone else), I'm willing to just drop the subject if you'll not mention it either, it's not like either of us can change it (no pun intended), and I guess what will be will be - it's just Ka. When I say drop it, I really mean not a friggin word [i:33fntbwj]at all[/i:33fntbwj] on the subject. I made a similar agreement with Yasik a while back and we've both stuck to it, and it's made slothmudding more enjoyable as a result.

What say you?

[*juggleblood*]

This is the single most important election that will occur in our lifetimes. What we are observing is a not just a political realignment of the parties, but a revaluing of our national priorities as a nation. Meanwhile we all hold our breath hoping the entire economic order doesn't come crashing down on our heads.

It matters, and you're wrong. In fact you're so wrong I think you are mentally feeble and if I choose not to engage your ridiculous arguments directly, be assured I will continue to shine a light on your stupidity.

I don't buy the argument that the harmony of the mud is affected by political bickering on the crier. I'll gladly help anyone in game, regardless of the ignorant crap they spew on this forum.

[Weasel]

Wow. I don't appreciate having that olive branch shoved up my a$$ - what an arrogant a$$hole you are.

You have not refuted ONE SINGLE FACT, not a fcuking ONE, and still you stand here saying you're right, without giving one scrap of evidence??? Says it all really. What a c[b:2menzgjb]u[/b:2menzgjb]nt. Go fcuk yourself.

There - that's probably a response you can relate too huh, d[b:2menzgjb]i[/b:2menzgjb]ckhead.

[jezer]

[quote="juggleblood":1ax8lil4]ignorant crap they spew on this forum.[/quote:1ax8lil4]

No one mentioned my name in relation with that statement

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A single small view of New Zealand... my day feels so much better already... I want to go back... but I want my job here in Australia Can I have my cake and eat it? No.... oh well...

Oh, and btw, we climb up those shingle screes on the side of the mountain and run down them... omg! So much fun, you have to run sideways to slow down, and you can't stop or you get stuck in the ground!

[Weasel]

Nice - Mount Cook I believe.

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[brady]

[quote="Weasel":3mh5fysb]what an arrogant a$$hole you are.[/quote:3mh5fysb]

That's just hilarious.

[Weasel]

Yeah yeah whatever, make this about me then and call me racist and retarded if that helps you deny the issues with Obama. Still nobody has offered [b:21xhnla1]anything[/b:21xhnla1] to refute the facts about Obama, or to persuade me I'm wrong.

What Juggleblood did say (which I agree with), is that "What we are observing is a not just a political realignment of the parties, but a revaluing of our national priorities as a nation." Very true. Apparently many want to welcome socialism as the new way, and a leader who has given every indication he will take you there. I assumed nobody would want that, and that's been the basis of my arguments.

[b:21xhnla1]Listen, if you [i:21xhnla1]want[/i:21xhnla1] socialism, then just say so, and we'll have nothing more to argue about.[/b:21xhnla1] That I can accept and respect. It's the complete denial of facts that are right in front of your face that I've had a problem with.

[brady]

You're respect isn't important to me. Neither is this discussion.

[Weasel]

[quote="brady":w80do0wl]You're respect isn't important to me. Neither is this discussion.[/quote:w80do0wl]
So why are you responding? You're contradicting yourself by doing so.

Guilty conscience perhaps?

[Poggle]

Hi

The burden of proof is not on the skeptic.

If you wish to make claims about something, you must back it up with evidence.

I have not seen any evidence, just claims.

From both sides.

I do not have the time or energy to dig up evidence for or against your claims, so if you want to be taken seriously, back it up with some hard evidence.

Or at least a link to someone who has that evidence.