**Revised quint40 light options**

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[quote:spm4eh9i] It used to be that it was almost embarrassing to pick a stat for your light[/quote:spm4eh9i]

I would say that if you need 6 of one stat by the time you're a 40 tard, it's
still pretty shameful

I think roadrunnr has the right of it. I only pay attention to shit that I
cannot buy with xp. This is one reason I have a very hard time shelling
out drachma for any spelldmg eq other than the robe.

[blackmore]

[quote="13":3dagzzuv]I would say that if you need 6 of one stat by the time you're a 40 tard, it's
still pretty shameful
[/quote:3dagzzuv]

I would agree, except that I'm one considering changing to stats. See, str is my last stat, and I have monk in my classo, so I like deathtouch. I run at 18/10 18 18 18 17. If I wanted to buy str, I would need to buy 5 str to gain any benefit. If I got +6 str on my light, it would put me at 18/70, and it would put me close enough to make it worthwhile buying str, or swapping 3x40 eq to wear a +str item.

[Weasel]

[quote="blackmore":1hzs4c2r][quote="13":1hzs4c2r]I would say that if you need 6 of one stat by the time you're a 40 tard, it's
still pretty shameful
[/quote:1hzs4c2r]

I would agree, except that I'm one considering changing to stats. See, str is my last stat, and I have monk in my classo, so I like deathtouch. I run at 18/10 18 18 18 17. If I wanted to buy str, I would need to buy 5 str to gain any benefit. If I got +6 str on my light, it would put me at 18/70, and it would put me close enough to make it worthwhile buying str, or swapping 3x40 eq to wear a +str item.[/quote:1hzs4c2r]

..which might explain why the +6 stats seem to be such a good idea for you. If you were short on AC and were trying to hit -12, or better yet -12.3 to allow for webs, then perhaps your opinion may have been different. If some of the drachma or 3x40 eq had been bumped up even a little for AC then I might not have even questioned the lack of any added AC in the light, but as things are, there is nothing extra, and now no room for it to be added anywhere. The possible addition of new ingame eq at some unknown time in the future argument applies just as much for your preference as it does for mine, so no point bringing that up. Your reasoning here for the added stats supports my reasoning for the needing AC - the difference being that you need the extra stats whereas I need the extra AC. As someone else mentioned, at least you (and everyone) has the opportunity to buy stats via exp tokens.. there is no such opportunity for AC, thereby giving even more reason to provide AC more than stats.

BTW, I believe there were two new items added to the drachma shops specifically for +multiple strength (girdles?), so perhaps you should go buy those and we should not have the 6x stats on the light.. that was the same argument someone used on me regarding AC, until they realized there was no new increased AC eq..

I'm sure someone will come up with some reason to tell me I'm wrong, or I'm greedy, or I should just start a different classo though..

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[Weasel]

heh.. kinda asked for that didn't I..

[Tap]

Your'e wrong, your'e greedy, and you should just start a different classo.

[Autolycos]

thanks... that's just fawkin hilarious

[blackmore]

[quote="Weasel":e3lfun59][..which might explain why the +6 stats seem to be such a good idea for you. If you were short on AC and were trying to hit -12, or better yet -12.3 to allow for webs, then perhaps your opinion may have been different. ...[/quote:e3lfun59]
Actually, it shows my point. My light currently has AC and MR on it. I got .2ac and +4 MR. I gained .2ac that I couldn't get with ingame eq, and +1 mr over what's ingame. Had I gone with +str, I would have gotten +1 str and +4 mr, which is only +1mr better than eq that can be used at 1x20. Now that stats are +3, I can get a +str +mr light that's an equivalent. Compared to ingame eq, I gain +1 MR and either .2ac or +2 str, whichever I choose. Both options are now better than ingame, by the same amount.

I don't disagree that more wa equipment should be added. I think lots of classes have eq they should have but don't, and there is very little eq just to benefit warriors, compared to what there is for other classes. That doesn't mean the AC on a tard light is out of balance compared to the rest of the options.

[Weasel]

[quote="blackmore":14k0axiw]I don't disagree that more wa equipment should be added. I think lots of classes have eq they should have but don't, and there is very little eq just to benefit warriors, compared to what there is for other classes. That doesn't mean the AC on a tard light is out of balance compared to the rest of the options.[/quote:14k0axiw]
Fair enough. What got me whining is that the avatar light was the last option available for the powers that be to add AC, as AC had basically already been skipped on both 3x40eq updates and drachma eq updates, which means there are now no options left to add it.. (and again, the argument about possible new ingame eq sometime in the future applies to all class attributes, not just AC, so it's a moot point).

I do understand your point of it being the only AC light source.. then again, if you consider Dex as AC, the stats change has, technically speaking, just provided a whopping -6.0 of AC for classes that don't have naturally high Dex (AC), even though they have other strengths, ..so now there is AC being provided indirectly to other classes, but not to the one class that needs it most - Warriors.. suddenly that -0.2 looks pretty pitiful in comparison huh.

Appreciate that you haven't taken my comments personally btw

[Hotara]

This may be besides the point, but my 4x caster has a dex of 14, and even with that, I won't take the +6 dex as that character's 5x40


Looking forward to -13 myself.


Cheers,
Hotara

[Weasel]

[quote="Hotara":ru3i82qk]This may be besides the point, but my 4x caster has a dex of 14, and even with that, I won't take the +6 dex as that character's 5x40
Looking forward to -13 myself.
Cheers,
Hotara[/quote:ru3i82qk]

Well no, and I wouldn't expect you to - your 4xCaster is not a tank. Then again, at least you have that option to better your AC by effectively -4.0 if you want to, as your nat is 14.

[Rynquald]

Of course, anyone that settles for low nat dex probably doesn't care about ac enough to get a dex light over the other options.

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i would like to see more weapon dmg with good ac

[Hotara]

[quote="Rynquald":1oz38lle]Of course, anyone that settles for low nat dex probably doesn't care about ac enough to get a dex light over the other options.[/quote:1oz38lle]


Sure I care about the ac, but it's rather hard to think about rolling
16/0 18 18 14 17.

[alias]

btw there is an ac light, it may be temp but its still there.

just fueling the fire here.