How to deathgrip Hamsters?

[Marvel]

Quicklings definitely can be tweaked to do so. The only way I could even run quicklings at a low level without only doing specific mobs was as a monk prime with flurry, dam reduce sleeves, and fluidity. It was the only way I could stay alive by doing enough damage with the damage reduction I had to soften all the bashing/gangbanging going on with 2 patrols, commander, and all the guards in the same room beating on you.

[Jag]

File this under mobs that may need tweaking.

Gray Raiders in School of Chol. It might be that they are chop not blast mobs, but I was surprised at my results.

Using a 3x40 level dark mace and haste, I cursed a raider, hit 2 acids and 13 firewinds to bring the mob to big nasty wounds. My level 40 mage is third in classo which lowers my damage but I was also wearing +15 Spell dam which probably evens that out.

Jag

If this is the proper level for this mob, I have no problem with it. Just providing info where I see something I don't think things are as is intended.

[*juggleblood*]

How much honor is it worth?

[hounds]

A gray raider is dead! R.I.P.
You received 1060023 experience points.
Total Honor for kill is 146.
You gain 146 Honor as your share.
You have gained one hundred and forty-six honor.
Your blood freezes as you hear a gray raider's death cry.

[jezer]

Is it just bad mob ac that is effecting hits at the moment? I think dark covenant needs a look at. Mobs in Zuzu's group yesterday were dying before I even landed one hit!

I frequently miss 2/3 with +7 to hit. Doesn't seem right.

[*juggleblood*]

[quote="jezer":32fl762m]Is it just bad mob ac that is effecting hits at the moment? I think dark covenant needs a look at. Mobs in Zuzu's group yesterday were dying before I even landed one hit!

I frequently miss 2/3 with +7 to hit. Doesn't seem right.[/quote:32fl762m]

I took a look. You are right again. Mob AC there is inappropriately low. I'll sit down and go thru them this evening. There's a lot of mobs there.

Regarding the grey raider, I don't see any problem. It's a little on the thick side, which isn't really a problem, since it's an honor mob.

[*juggleblood*]

Ok this is fixed. Someone has pointed out that a similar problem exists in theris. I will attack that one tomorrow evening.

edit: I looked again and it appears to be just one mob. The other AC's aren't unreasonable.

I think if you had more hit you'd be nailing more grips/stabs there.

[jezer]

I ran a few squares to kobolds tonight, to grab a corpse for Peri, I was in regen and this is how it worked out.

dg ko
A male kobold hates your guts!
You circle around a male kobold and expertly put him in a deathgrip.

<283hp 230ma 215mv +8al -2.5ac +5dam +51mr 26003548xp>
peri
You maintain your deathgrip on a male kobold.
A male kobold is dead! R.I.P.
Total exp for kill is 372.
Your blood freezes as you hear a male kobold's death cry.
You get gold coins from the corpse of a male kobold that's on the ground.
There were 100 coins.
You get a strange triangular shaped token from the corpse of a male kobold that's on the ground.
Your victim goes limp in your hands.

A failed splork on a kobold. 16str +5 dam.

[Leaf]

I was surprised to see Jezer mention Fable
Back in S3 I believe Fable had +14 +26 900hp and 450ma
His strike was about the same as a firewind (safed). But don't forget Av Monks
also had Improved Strike, which added alot more damage. Also if u can get
5x40 there was Death Touch, which added all the rounds into one SMACK.
Which unfortuantly I was only able to enjoy for a couple of months before
they wiped everything

The main issue I had with Fable was the lag between a grip. Since I was
told I was trying to play him as a Th/Ma. The only thing imms did was lessen
the lag when Fable had to grip in a group. Since grip lag + rescue lag was
a huge bitch. Don't think they will ever make Mo = Th on damage, its just
two different classes. Prime Monks can grip every mob in the game. (unless
they made a change)

Also glad to see Juggleblood working n fixing Sloth4. Peace!

Will >: )-~

[jezer]

I did some testing with Kirah in the arena tonight. A bunch of things were found out.

Singing Gods/Lions seems to have NO EFFECT on deathgrip. (Is this a bug?)
Singing Gods/Lions seems to have EFFECT on strike.
The druid spell avalanche either does no damage at all or doesn't work on players.
There seems to be a chance with deathgrip to do a REAL wimpy weak deathgrip. If you do one of these, it's way less than half of the damage of a full one. The dam is so low, it won't kill a kobold... or a hamster. This is total crap, why is this in there? It's not in there for stabbing! Some strikes seem to be halved in damage, or maybe they are saved.
The damage of the maintained round is half the previous round, and it's for this reason that the last round of deathgrip is quite possibly not as good as a standard round of combat... but this depends on your damage.
Each dam point adds about 10 more damage to the first round of grip.
Each dam point adds about 5 more damage to strike.
Strike is comparable to mid level blast spells - at 18 damage.
A double stab is substantially greater than grip.

So a couple of suggestions...

*Make deathgrip work with songs.
*Check avalanche works.
*Get rid of this weak grip crap.

I think when hand dam was nerfed a few years backs, it was a little harsh, probably should have been about half of what was done... that would be regained, if songs counted and with new avatar damage.

I'm not sure if songs ever worked with deathgrip before monks were nerfed... but imagine logging in one day to find your hand eq nerfed by 3, your shield nerfed by 3 and songs no longer effecting you... that's a cut of 16 DAM! OUCH! Talk about knee jerk reaction.

[jezer]

I'm not going to quit bringing up this crap till it's fixed.

This is a failed splork on the kobold sage... a 33k mob with 18 str and +14 damage by a 3x40 secondary monk.


The Kobold Sage's Hut
This is not at all what might be expected from a kobold's house. Piles
of parchment and ancient tomes are placed on various shelves and tables set
about this small hut, which is illuminated by a series of brightly glowing
gems mounted along the ceiling and walls. Two very large books sit open on
a table in the center of the room.
Exits: West
*(Faint Red Aura) A ancient looking kobold sage in long robes invites you to read his book.

<406hp 33ma 144mv +9al -2.1ac +14dam +40mr 118525805xp>
dg ko
The kobold sage hates your guts!
The kobold sage slowly fades into existence.
You circle around the kobold sage and expertly put him in a deathgrip.
The kobold sage is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.

<407hp 35ma 132mv +9al -2.1ac +14dam +40mr 118526075xp>
You maintain your deathgrip on the kobold sage.
The kobold sage is dead! R.I.P.
Total exp for kill is 33111.
Your blood freezes as you hear the kobold sage's death cry.
You get a leather wrist guard from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
You get a leather wrist guard from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
You get gold coins from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
There were 587 coins.
Your victim goes limp in your hands.

<411hp 37ma 134mv +10al -2.1ac +14dam +40mr 118561751xp>
l ko
You do not see that here.

<414hp 41ma 137mv +10al -2.1ac +14dam +40mr 118561751xp>
score
Jezer needs Mage 31 (Haste) or death. (level: 40)
Your levels: Dr: 40 Mo: 40 Cl: 40 Wa: 22 Ma: 25 Ne: 14 Ba: 12 Th: 10
You are 27 years, 15 months, 16 days old.
You are a citizen of Bal Harbor.
You are a devout worshipper of Jake.
You spread goodness and joy everywhere you go.
You have visited most of this area.
You've seen 45.4% of the world.
You have (417/862+35) hit, (45/429+40) mana and (140/266+34) movement points.
Your armor class is -2.1.
You have +13 to hit, +14 on damage and up to 2 attacks.
You have 75789 gold coins.
You have five hundred and sixteen drachma.
You have three thousand one hundred and twenty-eight honor.
You have 118561751 unused experience points.
You have been playing for 36 days, 1 hour, 28 minutes.
You are well-attuned to the enhancement stratum.
Str: 18[15], Int: 17[16], Wis: 17[17], Dex: 18[16], Con: 18[17]
You are standing.
Your song can affect as many as two people.
You are affected by the following spells:
Detect Evil
Detect Good
Detect Invisible
Sense Life
Darksight
Sanctuary
Stone Skin
Fly
Water Breathing
Nature's Revival

[Tuck]

[quote:162l4bmp]You get a leather wrist guard from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
You get a leather wrist guard from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground. [/quote:162l4bmp]

DOUBLE POP!!!!!

[Acedia]

[quote:j62gtwfc]This is a failed splork on the kobold sage... a 33k mob with 18 str and +14 damage by a 3x40 secondary monk. [/quote:j62gtwfc]

Here is a failed attempt at casting a spell, create food at 95% learned by a 3x20 mage prime.

cast 'create food'
You lost your concentration!

And this was on create food! Lost concentration rates must be too high!

Why does it have to splork mobs? Why can't it just do damage, and save you a round of being hit? So you only morted the kobold sage. You just saved who knows how many rounds of hacking at him. Precious time that could better be spent watching your lite burn away. Or who knows how much mana blasting him, or time as you chop him down.

First character I made was a M/O. Couldn't splork diddly with his grip, even with high hit and damage. But it did save me precious mana better used elsewhere. It's no stab, but it did save resources elsewhere.

Decided if I wanted to use deathgrip, best just make a monk prime. Deathgrip was great for cycling mansion as a 2x40 monk back in s3. Grip, strike strike, bye mattimeo (or bye me, both are valid outcomes). Granted he hurt a lot, but hey, beats blowing 75/200 mana on winds and then another 100 or so healing myself.

It's just a skill. No one said it had to rival stab, or anything else for that matter.

[jezer]

[quote="Acedia":1u2n78g4]beats blowing 75/200 mana on winds and then another 100 or so healing myself. It's just a skill. No one said it had to rival stab, or anything else for that matter.[/quote:1u2n78g4]

That grip did less than a wind! Prob less than a flame strike! What the heck are you going on about!?!?! It's my whole flipping point!

A min deathgrip looks successful BUT does less than a blast spell. I wish I DID use a wind!.

Good luck leading fights with kick... it's all damage...

cast 'fireball' sage
Ok.
The kobold sage hates your guts!
The kobold sage slowly fades into existence.
You throw a fireball at the kobold sage and have the satisfaction of seeing him enveloped in flames.

<854hp 430ma 204mv +9al 2.3ac +4dam +25mr 119239368xp>
cast 'fireball' sage
You pierce the kobold sage very hard.
The kobold sage hits you hard.
The kobold sage misses you with his hit.
You pierce the kobold sage very hard.
You are covered in sticky webs!

<846hp 431ma 204mv +9al 2.6ac +4dam +25mr 119239955xp>
Ok.
You throw a fireball at the kobold sage and have the satisfaction of seeing him enveloped in flames.

<846hp 416ma 204mv +9al 2.6ac +4dam +25mr 119240070xp>
cast 'fireball' sage
You pierce the kobold sage very hard.
The kobold sage is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.
Ok.
Your fireball hits the kobold sage with full force, causing an immediate death.
The kobold sage is dead! R.I.P.
Total exp for kill is 24214.
Your blood freezes as you hear the kobold sage's death cry.
You get a strange triangular shaped token from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
You get gold coins from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
There were 587 coins.
You get a few belladonna leaves from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.

Two fireballs = +14 dam 18 str Deathgrip, interesting equation.

[Tuck]

[quote:4aq1giry]You get a strange triangular shaped token from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
You get gold coins from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground.
There were 587 coins.
You get a few belladonna leaves from the corpse of the kobold sage that's on the ground. [/quote:4aq1giry]

ZOMG! DOUBLE POP AGAIN!