How you know when someone thinks your stupid.

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Kerry's reply was interesting.

[quote:2bf6yxlz]"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq . It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we're going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq ."[/quote:2bf6yxlz]

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Support the troops by sending them into a flagrant war?

[Weasel]

[quote="13":32vixfe4]I'd like to see the numbers and where they came from. And I'm not really down with 'corporate us' or 'political us' much.[/quote:32vixfe4]

I wish I could find them again for you - I read a whole slew of sites when this crap came out and it was amonst it.. altho you probably wont see it in many mainstream papers like NYT etc as they are anti-establishment and, by ther own admission, are biased in their reporting - biased against Bush that is.

[Weasel]

[quote="13":28c1o25o]Kerry's reply was interesting.

[quote:28c1o25o]"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I'm sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq . It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they're afraid to debate real men. And this time it won't work because we're going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq ."[/quote:28c1o25o][/quote:28c1o25o]

LOL - he IS a stuffed suit, does he not realize that? Kerry has been attacking the military for years, this is nothing but rhetoric. BTW, he has apologised since this statement.

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I'm not a democrat or what someone would call a Kerry-supporter. I am
a voter and a veteran. You're a conservative libertarian by your own
admission. I hate Bush. You have said plenty of times that you agree.
Why are we arguing over donkies and elephants?

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Are you a Bush-supporter Weas, or just open season on all suits?

[Weasel]

Some things I agree with, some I don't with Bush. I don't believe in blindly saying I'm a supporter for anyone in particular, as it infers I am in total support, which I am not. I do however think that of the two options last elections - Bush and Kerry - Bush was the better choice. That doesn't mean I think he's the best President, but I don't believe Kerry would have been better. As someone else said earlier, it was the choice of the better of two evils. Does that answer your question? If a better option than Kerry had been available, I may have gone that way, and I believe a LOT of people felt the same way.

[Medios]

John Kerry is totally right. A republican has never joined the military, and never will. Hes the only one who ever served in Vietnam and cannot be refuted. The shit about common GOP playbook cracks me up. Does anyone know that Michael J Fox wrote a book where he describes going in front of Congress without taking his meds? He did this on purpose to try and maximize his symptoms so that we can better understand his disease. Now hes reportedly admitted that he was overmedicated and that is why he was moving so much. Fox never even read the MO stem cell initiative and I feel sorry for him being used by the left to further cloning legislation. This man is being used.

Mike

[Vixn]

[quote="Weasel":fuuci78f]Some things I agree with, some I don't with Bush. I don't believe in blindly saying I'm a supporter for anyone in particular, as it infers I am in total support, which I am not. I do however think that of the two options last elections - Bush and Kerry - Bush was the better choice. That doesn't mean I think he's the best President, but I don't believe Kerry would have been better. As someone else said earlier, it was the choice of the better of two evils. Does that answer your question? If a better option than Kerry had been available, I may have gone that way, and I believe a LOT of people felt the same way.[/quote:fuuci78f]

could u vota against both candidates or u have to choose evil one?

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Just saw this on the Ween Forum

[quote:hvas1xn1]
Florida voters using electronic ballot machines are having persistent problems choosing Democrats in early elections, the Miami Herald reports.

The touch-screen gizmos seem strangely attracted to Republican candidates. One voter needed assistance from an election official, and even then, needed three tries to convince the machine that he wanted to vote for Democrat Jim Davis in the gubernatorial race, not his Republican opponent Charlie Crist.

Another voter who went Democrat across the board kept finding Republicans listed in the summary screen. He made repeated attempts until, finally, the machine registered his votes correctly, and he cast his ballot.

Yet another frustrated voter who complained of difficulties selecting a Democrat was told that the machine she was using had been troublesome. Poll workers fiddled with it for a bit, and then it seemed to work properly.

Apparently, this happens all the time. According to the Herald, "Broward County Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney said it's not uncommon for screens on heavily used machines to slip out of sync, making votes register incorrectly. Poll workers are trained to recalibrate them on the spot - essentially, to realign the video screen with the electronics inside. The 15-step process is outlined in the poll-worker's manual."

Well that's a relief. Only we have to wonder, if the screens "slip out of sync," might other components do so as well? And why are poll workers permitted to fiddle with the machines?

Unfortunately, the article tells us little. It sounds as if the machines are of poor quality, but the paper neglects to mention the manufacturer(s) responsible for them. The elections supervisor's spokesperson seems altogether too comfortable with the notion that the machines are unreliable. 'They do that all the time?'

With early elections already underway, it looks as if Florida will again be in the headlines for the wrong reasons, as it so often is.
[/quote:hvas1xn1]

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Very little in politics is black and white. You effectively vote for the candidate that you think will suck least. They'll almost certainly have many views that you disagree with, which makes them unpopular. They may also have insights that we are not privy to, which may make a good decision seem poor because we don't entirely understand it.

There's also times you have to simply live with a bad decision. While I agree with nearly everyone that going into Iraq was a horrible decision, it's one that simply cannot be unmade. Discounting the original bad decision, he's played the rest as well as can be expected.

Unfortunately, as even the Art of War will tell you, the cost of keeping an army in the field is an incredible drain on the resources of the state. They need to be brought home as soon as is expedient. For the wellbeing of the soldiers, but also the economy and ultimately the country. That's not to say I begrudge the soldiers in any way. They got the raw end of the deal and are performing to the best of their ability depite the fact.

Unfortunately, the situation as it stands now requires a lot of wisdom to resolve. Its unfortunate that it wasn't employed initially. It's not something that Rush Limbaugh, John Kerry or anyone else is going to do anything about talking on the radio, tv or in the newspaper. The soldiers will ultimately come home when the situation improves, or deteriorates to civil war, at which point we will be completely combat ineffective. Until then, the only meaningful thing we can do is support the people being put at risk.

That probably wandered off topic quite a bit... but seemed appropriate at the time.

[alias]

Ever wonder what the quickest way out of a recession is? Go to war. Time and time again when the country is headed to or in a recession the nation will go to war to bring its self out of it or to mask it. Look at all the lost jobs in the country.And the only way we haven't lost jobs if you believe what is being spead- is low paying jobs that you can't live on-ie McDonalds, Walmart. How many more people would be out of work if all the people in the military who have been called up never went over to Afaganistan/Iraq? Thousands of more men and women would be unemployed here, not just the jobs that we have to back-fill from the brave men and women who were called to serve, but all the support industries that are needed to send the amount of people we have to fight and support. Bush has let Oil companys rip us off and Corportations get greedy and move operations out of the country to cheap labor. This is why we NEEDED to go to war. Ever wonder why before Bush went into office gas was 99cents a gallon and now its between $2-$3 and doesn't seem to fall much? Sorry to rant some but it stirs in my craw that people can go on and just swallow whats being fed to them. I'm not telling you Kerry would have been better, I don't know but I did like some of the policies that he endorsed. If you don't like whats been happening in the world of politics please go out and vote. And if you think everything is peachy you can vote or stay home and everything thing will continue as it was.

Nov 7th is comming fast and I hope you all will go out and vote whether it be Republican, Democrat, or Indepentant.

but preferably Democrat cause I wanna have a job after the 1st of the year, although it might be too late for that too.

regards,

Alias

[Driven]

While this is an interesting sentiment, Alias, I think it's an overly simplistic view of the world. The reason why gas is so expensive now is that 2 billion people in China and India now own cars and are consuming at an unprecendented rate. More gas being consumed equates to higher demand, and so the price goes up given that the supply is about the same. It has nothing to do with Bush.

Regardless of who is in office, the US is going to struggle over the next 100 years with the job situation. The reason is that the world is shrinking. It's now reasonable for companies to use a work-force in India (or insert your favorite 2nd world country) to perform the same job at half the cost. And you know what? I cannot fault these companies for doing this. It's capitalism at its best. What this means is that the wealth in the US is going to get re-distributed across the world economy over time. It will happen at such a slow rate, though, that the US economy will be able to adjust and as such will never collapse.

I think it is way too simple to say that we went to war in order to fix our economy. The machinery of the Bush administration is far more complicated than that. It may have been one component of the machinery, but by no means was it the only component, or even the primary component.

I agree about the voting part... go vote!

[quote="alias":2zp4yeva]Ever wonder what the quickest way out of a recession is? Go to war. Time and time again when the country is headed to or in a recession the nation will go to war to bring its self out of it or to mask it. Look at all the lost jobs in the country.And the only way we haven't lost jobs if you believe what is being spead- is low paying jobs that you can't live on-ie McDonalds, Walmart. How many more people would be out of work if all the people in the military who have been called up never went over to Afaganistan/Iraq? Thousands of more men and women would be unemployed here, not just the jobs that we have to back-fill from the brave men and women who were called to serve, but all the support industries that are needed to send the amount of people we have to fight and support. Bush has let Oil companys rip us off and Corportations get greedy and move operations out of the country to cheap labor. This is why we NEEDED to go to war. Ever wonder why before Bush went into office gas was 99cents a gallon and now its between $2-$3 and doesn't seem to fall much? Sorry to rant some but it stirs in my craw that people can go on and just swallow whats being fed to them. I'm not telling you Kerry would have been better, I don't know but I did like some of the policies that he endorsed. If you don't like whats been happening in the world of politics please go out and vote. And if you think everything is peachy you can vote or stay home and everything thing will continue as it was.

Nov 7th is comming fast and I hope you all will go out and vote whether it be Republican, Democrat, or Indepentant.

but preferably Democrat cause I wanna have a job after the 1st of the year, although it might be too late for that too.

regards,

Alias[/quote:2zp4yeva]

[mudder]

[quote="Driven":1ftol7mu]The reason why gas is so expensive now is that 2 billion people in China and India now own cars and are consuming at an unprecendented rate.[/quote:1ftol7mu]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that USA was and is the biggest energy consumer, the biggest oil consumer and the biggest Carbon based polluter in the world, both in absolute terms as a country and on a per capita basis.

Anything India, China or anywhere else are doing isn't therefore unprecedented, and it makes me feel uneasy to hear an implication that they are to blame for the 'high' oil prices in USA, that are in fact only just over half that currently seen in Europe.

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I love anon. alts.