How you know when someone thinks your stupid.

[Diazz_Dizazter]

I have like 20 minutes so this will be length. Wow que on my server is
415 people (25 min wait). Sigh.

[quote:1uanlnhi]One of the basics of the economy is that there's never any more money, just a change in circulation. Ie. if your country exports more money than it imports, you're eventually going to have to do something to get it back or you'll simply run out of money.[/quote:1uanlnhi]

MY 42 cents.

Inflation states that the gold backing the price of the money rises in amount
stockpiled even as much as more money is being printed. But that amount
of money is being made more of then is being taken out from circulation.

We're always making about the same, but there is more to spend the excess
capital on.

Secondly there is also foreign backing from other countries. So the trickle
down affect is also the trickle around affect. The stock market ensures this.

Hawaii is nearly owned in lump sum by the Japaneese. There are some
sub divisions in Hawaii which are Japaneese only now days. They bought
it out and moved in.

Why. Because we as Americians will sell it.

Civ 4 actually touches on this in some aspect, as to how cities can branch
out as a cultural expands its borders. I think its a very neat feature of the
game, since it allows you the financial victory, as in, you never have to
make that 'army' to go take what you want. If you push enough cultural,
your borders will finitely expand (assuming someone larger doesnt gobble
you up in the 1st place).

This process how ever, takes many years. Most processes do. Financial
analysts can spend years studying markets and trends, depressions. It
is also about as rocky as being a weather reporter.

Theres always another wal-mart to take your cash or your credit.

Another place to get fast food.

That car part you need. Each Carquest store can carry between 200-000
to 400-000 individual parts that you or someone you know could need.

They wouldnt stock it, if they didnt feel someone would buy that part.

We're watching a de-evolution of cash. Soon most people wont even use
cash. They will probably stick a small cell phone/wallet/credit card on your
arm as a bar code. 1984 by Orwell is NOT that far off from seeming legit.

Darwinism as a whole says that only the strong survive. But, as beings
who spent the 1st couple Million years having to bash wildlife over the
head to eat at night, let alone to have a tent or a cave, then settling down
in your overcoat and easy chair for a smoke and a beer is a long way off
from the primal instincts we left behind. Money markets are one way of
ozzing this affect on our mind. Everything is cut-throat. In a dog-eat-dog
world, then this is why OPEC had epic profits this year.

Because they could. Dependency on a controlled resources is what cause
people to have needs. This is why the Bush's who were raised on oil, did
they thing. They had to protect what they saw as interesting to them, oil
so 'we' could drive our cars to the dairy queen and the hospital and to
wal-mart.

Its to blame on big-busniess, because republicans will watch each others
backs.

There are alot of hybrid cars out now days, which run on a combonation of
water and gas/oil. It would be self-destructive to our own busniess's (ie:
those who already have the cash), for their to be an all water, all air, all
solar, all fusion, all electric car. Yet even back in the 80's, there were
some test models, which you never, ever heard about now days. Why.
Because it kills everything we have been taught around since Henry Ford
(a mason no less), started rolling out black model T's. 'They can have the
model T in any color, as long as they like black'.

Its counter productive to a society to change back upon it's self.

Election's would be very, very different, if the people who ran to run the
country, would have to budget forth their entire financial means to do so.
And when their term was up, if they made money, then they got a cut of
it. How ever, if they lost money, they wouldn't leave with anything.

Controlled practices are usually and effortlessly provided by what the
controller will practice. Let them eat cake and all that shit, so long as they
fear.

More over, a country founded on masons is ruled over by masons.

Mason's created the entire banking system. You dont think they could
have mastered that system in the past 900 years?

Enough rambling, I actually hate politics.

If we killed all the lawyers and tried politics without lawyers, then we could
really make some progress. Until then, ahh, were screwed.

[Roadrunr]

OPEC - Organization of Oil Exporting Countries ie, not oil companies necessarily but countries. exxon-mobil buy oil from saudi, iran, whomever.

Also, we dont control OPEC, we can ask them to do things sure but they dont have to. They decided that they were going to cut production, we asked them to maintain.

Ethanol. Please. lets waste natural gas so that we can produce an alternative to gasoline at a net loss in energy content based on the amount of fuel consumed to farm the corn and produce the ethanol. Great plan. The ONLY reason you hear anything about E85 is because the car companies get a credit toward their CAFE requirements for every E85 car they build...and they get the credit whether the vehicle actually uses E85 or not. This allows detroit to pump out far more gas guzzlers than they would otherwise be able to produce and meet their CAFE requirements

Ever seen what kind of mileage you get on E85? 20% less than on regular, good old dino fuel. Any guess where the natural gas used in the processing of the ethanol comes from?

oh, and I suppose the price of gas is high in canada because 'dubya ' is controlling it there too right?

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[quote="*kjartan*":j5de0e4t][quote="12345":j5de0e4t]One of the basics of the economy is that there's never any more money, just a change in circulation. Ie. if your country exports more money than it imports, you're eventually going to have to do something to get it back or you'll simply run out of money.[/quote:j5de0e4t]

So, logically if there is never any more money, then a thousand years ago when there were 1/20 as many people they must have all been super-rich! Man, I wish I could have lived back then. (I tried to just let that one go without mocking you but that apparently would require a better man than me.)[/quote:j5de0e4t]

Sort of true, but we were still on the gold standard then, so they literally just printed more money and deposited more into the federal reserve. Now this is no longer the case. The banking system is in place to speed the rate at which money moves. Instead of sitting in someone's matress for a year or two, it's placed in a savings account and the bank lends that money to other people.

Therefore, if I have a dollar and put it in a mattress, I have a dollar.

If I have a dollar, and I give it to you for an apple, and you give it back to me for a pack of gum, and I give it back to you for another apple... it's 4 dollars, and the government will tax both of you for 2 dollars of income off the single physical dollar.

So yes, there's not really any more money, but the rate at which it circulates is increased, which makes the dollar produce more money. Which is why savings accounts are all secured by the government, they need something to assure people that when they go to the bank to get their money it will actually be there, nevermind that the bank has lent almost every dollar stored there to other people.

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opec = organization of petroleum exporting companies

[osric]

Heh, hey gang fyi the price of gas in Canada has been steadily dropping lately, and ethonol made with sugar rather than corn has a much higher energy conversion rate, we just have to start growing real sugar in the US again! Just my half cents worth.

[Roadrunr]

[quote="13":156anice]opec = organization of petroleum exporting companies[/quote:156anice]
no, it's countries. as in IRAN, IRAQ, SAUDI, etc.

not companies as in EXXON, GULF, SHELL

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nod, it's what these countries belong to, it's an 'organization'

[Weasel]

yeah, just like NATO or the UN or NAFTA or the Commonwealth.. except the OPEC countries have oil.. lots of it.

One sure way to weaken that organization - reduce dependancy on petroleum products. Unfortunately too many big businesses are tied into that product and are too greedy to look beyond their own bottom line.

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Funny way of phrasing it. General Motors is already flirting with bankruptcy. You have to be concerned with your bottom line to a certain extent, or you won't be a company for very long. Besides, there's already a few alternatives to normal petrol out there... and look how many people are buying.

And I don't know about your area, but my state is getting fewer funds from the government and so my town is getting fewer funds from the state... so my property and school taxes have been skyrocketing as my income taxes come down. Which pretty much garrentees that when I go shopping for a vehicle that I'm looking for a good deal, not what's good for the planet.

Government is expensive, war is more so.

[dieSprout]

Diazz, server/name?

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mike, stomp442@gmail.com hit me, it's aaron.