+dam +stabdam etc

[Granty555]

Ok Im a little unsure here, hopefully someone can explain/verify for me.

Say Im stabbing. I have +3 Dam and +5 StabDam.

Which gets applied when? I would have guessed that my +5 StabDam would get added to my base damage (str and weapon) then multiplied by my stab multiplier. Then my +3 dam would be added and that would be my final result. This would seem logical to me so that my specialist bonus +stabdam (which seems to be on a few items only) would be far more effective than the generic +dam (on many items).

However from another thread it seems to be the other way round....Im confused (nothing out of the ordinary there). Why would you ever bother with +3 stabdam if it only adds +3 damage total and only when you stab? If you had +1dam and had X3 multiplier you would get the same bonus on stab AND +1 for every normal hit....

Lendros

NB this is the post that's confusing me

[Granty555]

Damn cant edit...

http://www.slothmud.org/index.php?name= ... opic&t=705

[Alberich]

from what i have tested on my th/ma... +dam and weapon roll is applied before stab modifier, then stabdam is applied after, as spelldam is applied after mobs saving throw. So, 14 stabdam for a thief prime = about +1dam x modifier

if I am completely wrong someone please correct

[12345]

This has been hashed numerous times. I'll try to give the basics as I see them.

1. Level 40 thief prime has a ~15x on stabs. Circle seems to be a static ~3x.
2. +dam eq rocks since it's is applied 15x and 3x. I think.
3. +stabdam eq doesn't rock as much because it is not multipied. I think.

+stabdam doesn't seem benefitial until you're crazy enough to try splorking someplace like the infernites. If they survive the stab, you can look forward to having the pulp beat out of you. If they die the first combat round, you thank your lucky stars and move to somewhere safe to regen. However, that also means you only needed a _little_ harder stab... which is what +stab_dam is.

Figure I have a char that has +13 damage, and he's a little timid some areas. Alberich has one with +13 damage and +23 stabdam. He's a little less timid with that extra 26 damage and can probably survive a few places I can't.

Moral: look for the +stabdam eq that doesn't cost you your normal damage and you can be cool like Alberich too.

[Leaf]

+dam eq and a big stabber is KEY and then find +stab dam items.

How it works, ur Dam Eq + Stabber = Damage of Stab.
Damage of Stab x the mult which is 15 at lvl40 = BIG DAM
BIG DAM + Stab dam items = your damage to a mob once u stab.
If you get Double Stab the process gets done again with a matter of a sec.

[Medios]

All of the above is correct but doesnt really answer your question. Medios is a true thief, I run with full damage. This includes damage on body which i lose quite a bit of ac for. Any spot that can have damage (that i have eq for) does. Then I add in items that have stabdamage to my remaining slots. Quite a few items have both regular damage and stabdamage. Thief autoquest sleeves .5 dam 10stab_dam. Gauntlets of Mastery .2 dam 10 stab_dam. opal bracelets dam 4stab_dam. All of these items still have the normal damage that other items would have. So once you max out your damage, add that stab_dam in for the extra gravy. I have 25 stab_dam on top of my regular +24 damage. This adds an extra 50 damage to a double stab, which is quite noticeable. When I started messing with stab_dam eq I figured the extra 10 or so wouldnt matter, however it saves my mana when I corpse something that would normally take 2 stabs and a wind. If the mob has 50hp after you stab and that first attack only takes 30, your getting hit really hard etc etc. If you care more about ac than your preemptive attack then stab_dam isnt the way to go. Hope this helps.

Mike

[Leaf]

Yea I wonder how you got all slots full of dam eq *cough* *bone guards*

[Deju]

Just another Th type to chime in on the subject. Basically I can agree with everything Medios has said. Stab_Dam doesnt seem like much one item at a time, but once you combine all of it together, it can be quite noticeable.

[Granty555]

Cool, I understand now

Many thanks for the info folks!

[Choong]

I just browse thru the web, not sure if I searched the right keyword, are stab dam eq mostly quest stuff and thief prime only?

[Alberich]

there isn't a whole lot to begin with, but yeah - only non-th prime stabdam item that isn't sold at weavers or questish is that clasp from cloud giants